Obama Administration Takes Action on Climate Change--Big Time

[ChrisOlson]

Just an example of how far out in left field these "greenies" are, how about the proposal to tax meat to reduce cow fart emissions?

http://ecowatch.com/2013/12/26/meat-tax-reduce-methane-emissions-global-warming/

This should provide even the most dedicated ALGOR followers with a hint that the things they come up with are are total BS (pardon the pun).

[Sunking]

Anyone care to guess what the largest producers of carbon dioxide are? Well here is the top 4

1. Volcano's 350 to 450 Giga Tons annually
2. Sea and Oceans. 260 Gt annually
3. Forrest fires. 240 GT annually
4. Decomposing animals and plant material. 220 GT annually.

Care to guess what man produces from burning fossil fuels. 30 to 40 GT annually.

[ChrisOlson]

Care to guess what man produces from burning fossil fuels. 30 to 40 GT annually.

I'm pretty sure half of that is smoke from our Robin diesel generator

[Ward L]

Not right

Anyone care to guess what the largest producers of carbon dioxide are? Well here is the top 4

1. Volcano's 350 to 450 Giga Tons annually
2. Sea and Oceans. 260 Gt annually
3. Forrest fires. 240 GT annually
4. Decomposing animals and plant material. 220 GT annually.

Care to guess what man produces from burning fossil fuels. 30 to 40 GT annually.

You got your figures wrong. Go to the NASA website and it will tell you 97% of scientists think climate change is man made. If you don't know what you are talking about you should not speak like you know something. Volcanos are closer to 5% of co2 production. Just because you said it doesn't mean it is the truth......

[SunEagle]

You got your figures wrong. Go to the NASA website and it will tell you 97% of scientists think climate change is man made. If you don't know what you are talking about you should not speak like you know something. Volcanos are closer to 5% of co2 production. Just because you said it doesn't mean it is the truth......

What does "97% of scientists" means? I will tell you it doesn't mean 97% of for ALL scientists. It is just a percentage calculated from a small number of people who claim they are "experts" in the "climate change" field (whatever that is) and is taken out of context to make it look like just about all of the "experts' agree with the findings and assumptions of a few.

Funny thing about numbers. They can be represented in a lot of ways to make something look good or look bad. It is just math and from what I have read, these "97% of scientists" are making claims from someone using faulty math.

[Rdjntx]

You got your figures wrong. Go to the NASA website and it will tell you 97% of scientists think climate change is man made. If you don't know what you are talking about you should not speak like you know something. Volcanos are closer to 5% of co2 production. Just because you said it doesn't mean it is the truth......

really? he has his figures wrong? and all you can do is say that and you expect us to believe you over him? to point out that somones figures are wrong, without offering some kind of documentation is just stupid. took me about 2 minutes to prove you wrong and here is a link: http://www.sciences360.com/index.php...missions-9176/ I would suggest that you should take your own damn advice which I have highlighted above.

and here is the relevant piece of the article which shows your comment is full of shyte:

The people who firmly believe that man is the biggest culprit may not take it happily, but the biggest source of CO2 emissions is volcanic eruptions. There is a huge amount of carbon dioxide locked up in rocks. As the rocks melt, they give up the gas, and this is expelled during the eruption. Often, the larger the eruption, the more carbon dioxide is released along with other gases, such as hydrogen sulfide.

At any given time, according to agencies such as the USGS, there are about 13-17 volcanoes erupting somewhere on Earth. This means that yearly, volcanoes spew out hundreds or even thousands of times more carbon dioxide than man is capable of producing, even if he tried. Man is actually an insignificant producer of CO2, though he is prideful enough to think he is a major player.

[SunEagle]

Just an example of how far out in left field these "greenies" are, how about the proposal to tax meat to reduce cow fart emissions?

http://ecowatch.com/2013/12/26/meat-tax-reduce-methane-emissions-global-warming/

This should provide even the most dedicated ALGOR followers with a hint that the things they come up with are are total BS (pardon the pun).

Maybe we should capture that methane and mix it with some other bio gas to get the BTU content up and then burn it to get steam and then produce electricity.

[ChrisOlson]

Maybe we should capture that methane and mix it with some other bio gas to get the BTU content up and then burn it to get steam and then produce electricity.

Oh, they already do that up here except they burn it in two big 850kW Caterpillar natural gas gensets. You wouldn't even believe the carbon credit scam they got going on that deal, selling fart gas to Dairyland Power:

http://www.epa.gov/agstar/projects/profiles/norswissfarms.html

[Ian S]

really? he has his figures wrong? and all you can do is say that and you expect us to believe you over him? to point out that somones figures are wrong, without offering some kind of documentation is just stupid. took me about 2 minutes to prove you wrong and here is a link: http://www.sciences360.com/index.php...missions-9176/ I would suggest that you should take your own damn advice which I have highlighted above.

and here is the relevant piece of the article which shows your comment is full of shyte:

The people who firmly believe that man is the biggest culprit may not take it happily, but the biggest source of CO2 emissions is volcanic eruptions. There is a huge amount of carbon dioxide locked up in rocks. As the rocks melt, they give up the gas, and this is expelled during the eruption. Often, the larger the eruption, the more carbon dioxide is released along with other gases, such as hydrogen sulfide.

At any given time, according to agencies such as the USGS, there are about 13-17 volcanoes erupting somewhere on Earth. This means that yearly, volcanoes spew out hundreds or even thousands of times more carbon dioxide than man is capable of producing, even if he tried. Man is actually an insignificant producer of CO2, though he is prideful enough to think he is a major player.

That article is pure crap. First clue is that there is not even one specific reference to the literature. Not one. Even high school students are expected to use citations when they produce papers. Real estimates are that human sources of CO2 are about 100x the CO2 produced by volcanos

[JCP]

That article is pure crap. First clue is that there is not even one specific reference to the literature. Not one. Even high school students are expected to use citations when they produce papers. Real estimates are that human sources of CO2 are about 100x the CO2 produced by volcanos

Ian, what are you doing? You're ruining Russ et all fairy tale stories with hard facts. Don't you know that you're supposed to argue based on totally made up numbers?

[Rdjntx]

Ian, what are you doing? You're ruining Russ et all fairy tale stories with hard facts. Don't you know that you're supposed to argue based on totally made up numbers?

at least he provided a link that showed what I posted was wrong, as opposed to the other clown that post NOTHING to back up his statement that what was posted was wrong.

[ChrisOlson]

The climate change people invent numbers out of thin air to push their point. The 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines COOLED the earth for three years, by as much as 1.6 degrees at the height of its effect, according to USGS. You can look it up. Humans could not do that, or have such an effect on the temperature of the planet on that large of a scale in that short of a time, if they freaking tried. And that was just ONE volcano.

The truth is that these people do not have emissions measuring equipment on volcanoes so they invent numbers to push their point. Volcanoes emit CO2 whether they are active or not, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. They chose to ignore that and only publish "estimated" CO2 values for volcanoes that erupt. They are not measured.

Even the USGS admits this:
Gases released by most volcanoes are difficult to sample and measure on a regular basis, especially when a volcano becomes restless. Direct sampling of gas requires that scientists visit a hot fumarole or an active vent, usually high on a volcano's flank or within its summit crater. At some volcanoes, gases discharge directly into crater lakes. The remote location of these sampling sites, intense and often hazardous fumes, frequent bad weather, and the potential for sudden eruptions can make regular gas sampling sometimes impossible and dangerous.

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/activity/methods/gas.php

Volcanoes emit so much CO2 that it settles in low areas around active vents and accumulates at such high rate (40-50% of the air) that it will instantly kill any air-breathing life there.

So claiming volcanoes emit less tons of plant food than human activity does is pretty ludicrous when you look at the power of a single eruption, and the fact that it cannot even be measured.

[Ward L]

Science Can Tell

The climate change people invent numbers out of thin air to push their point. The 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines COOLED the earth for three years, by as much as 1.6 degrees at the height of its effect, according to USGS. You can look it up. Humans could not do that, or have such an effect on the temperature of the planet on that large of a scale in that short of a time, if they freaking tried. And that was just ONE volcano.

The truth is that these people do not have emissions measuring equipment on volcanoes so they invent numbers to push their point. Volcanoes emit CO2 whether they are active or not, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. They chose to ignore that and only publish "estimated" CO2 values for volcanoes that erupt. They are not measured.

Even the USGS admits this:
Gases released by most volcanoes are difficult to sample and measure on a regular basis, especially when a volcano becomes restless. Direct sampling of gas requires that scientists visit a hot fumarole or an active vent, usually high on a volcano's flank or within its summit crater. At some volcanoes, gases discharge directly into crater lakes. The remote location of these sampling sites, intense and often hazardous fumes, frequent bad weather, and the potential for sudden eruptions can make regular gas sampling sometimes impossible and dangerous.

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/activity/methods/gas.php

Volcanoes emit so much CO2 that it settles in low areas around active vents and accumulates at such high rate (40-50% of the air) that it will instantly kill any air-breathing life there.

So claiming volcanoes emit less tons of plant food than human activity does is pretty ludicrous when you look at the power of a single eruption, and the fact that it cannot even be measured.

Cosmos on TV said they can measure the CO2 isotopes to determine if CO2 is made from a volcano or burning fossil fuel. Using this method, 5% of the CO2 in the atmosphere is from volcanos...... So maybe it is all a big lie, but Cosmos TV series seems to tell a pretty good story about global warming from man made CO2. It is particularly interesting when they look at the effect of CO2 has had on other planets atmosphere.

[Ward L]

Moon Shot is Fake Too?

really? he has his figures wrong? and all you can do is say that and you expect us to believe you over him? to point out that somones figures are wrong, without offering some kind of documentation is just stupid. took me about 2 minutes to prove you wrong and here is a link: http://www.sciences360.com/index.php...missions-9176/ I would suggest that you should take your own damn advice which I have highlighted above.

and here is the relevant piece of the article which shows your comment is full of shyte:

The people who firmly believe that man is the biggest culprit may not take it happily, but the biggest source of CO2 emissions is volcanic eruptions. There is a huge amount of carbon dioxide locked up in rocks. As the rocks melt, they give up the gas, and this is expelled during the eruption. Often, the larger the eruption, the more carbon dioxide is released along with other gases, such as hydrogen sulfide.

At any given time, according to agencies such as the USGS, there are about 13-17 volcanoes erupting somewhere on Earth. This means that yearly, volcanoes spew out hundreds or even thousands of times more carbon dioxide than man is capable of producing, even if he tried. Man is actually an insignificant producer of CO2, though he is prideful enough to think he is a major player.

I was quoting NASA and gave you the link when I said 97% of scientists think climate change is man made. OK, so you don't believe NASA. Who do you believe? There are plenty of talking heads that say the 97% is not a good number to quote. Whatever, believe what you want to believe. I think it is pretty ironic to have this discussion on a solar energy forum. I would have guessed if you have solar panels you were pretty green.....

[ChrisOlson]

Cosmos TV. That's a good source for information.

The fact is, when man first appeared on the planet the concentration of CO2 in the air was about 20x greater than it is today. This has been determined by ice core samples that trapped air samples from back then. So where did all that CO2 come from? Volcanoes. The earth was more volcanically active back then. Where did it all go? It didn't fall apart or dissipate. It was absorbed by the earth.

This period of high CO2 was GOOD for life on the planet, not bad.

Why do all these scientists that consider themselves "climate experts" IGNORE the fact that every time a big volcano blows up in the last 150 years we see a temporary drop in global temp, then a steady rise? And this drop is caused by just ONE volcano putting particulates and sulfur-dioxide in the air, and massive tons of CO2 and water vapor in one blast that exceeds anything the human race can match.

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Once you get all the bullsh!t out of the way and just look at facts you don't even have be a climate scientist to see what's going on, for pete's sake. This is right from the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History on volcanic activity and earthquakes on this planet since 1790:

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I dunno what to tell you except you are being lied to. Humans have very little to do with any of this if you use even one shred of common sense and look further into the past than the "industrial age".