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  • RickAlders
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2021
    • 4

    #1

    SCE Net Surplus Compensation

    I’ve had my solar system up and running for about 10 months now. I intentionally oversized it for future EV use so it has plenty of excess capacity for the time being. No regrets there. When switching to the required NEM TOU plan, by default our excess energy credits were set to rollover. Can this be changed to payout (at the much lower wholesale rate, I get that) then changed back if we ever want the rollover again? I get it the payout will only be a few hundred dollars but curious to know the process from others who may have done this. At present, we have around 8.5 MWh surplus and will probably have 10-11 MWh surplus by year end. Might be $500 worth but more so just curious about the process of going from rollover to payout with SCE.
  • J.P.M.
    Solar Fanatic
    • Aug 2013
    • 14995

    #2
    Originally posted by RickAlders
    I’ve had my solar system up and running for about 10 months now. I intentionally oversized it for future EV use so it has plenty of excess capacity for the time being. No regrets there. When switching to the required NEM TOU plan, by default our excess energy credits were set to rollover. Can this be changed to payout (at the much lower wholesale rate, I get that) then changed back if we ever want the rollover again? I get it the payout will only be a few hundred dollars but curious to know the process from others who may have done this. At present, we have around 8.5 MWh surplus and will probably have 10-11 MWh surplus by year end. Might be $500 worth but more so just curious about the process of going from rollover to payout with SCE.
    What did SCE say when you called and asked them the same question ?

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    • RickAlders
      Junior Member
      • Mar 2021
      • 4

      #3
      Originally posted by J.P.M.

      What did SCE say when you called and asked them the same question ?
      **Sigh**

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      • azdave
        Moderator
        • Oct 2014
        • 778

        #4
        Originally posted by J.P.M.

        What did SCE say when you called and asked them the same question ?
        I'll bet the recording says..."We are currently experiencing higher than normal call volumes..."


        I would be inclined to keep the surplus for later use assuming the credit never goes away and you have no plans to move and close the account in the near future. Why take such a low wholesale value for it in cash? We are forced to do that annually and I would much, much rather keep that surplus for use on a rainy day (pun intended).
        Dave W. Gilbert AZ
        6.63kW grid-tie owner

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        • Mike 134
          Solar Fanatic
          • Jan 2022
          • 423

          #5
          Originally posted by RickAlders

          **Sigh**
          What does a google search turn up on the SCE website?
          Last edited by Mike 134; 09-13-2022, 05:05 PM.

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          • RickAlders
            Junior Member
            • Mar 2021
            • 4

            #6
            Originally posted by Mike 134

            What does a google search turn up on the SCE website?
            Not trying to be rude here but people come to discussion forums to ask other users who share a common interest about their experiences.

            From my original post, “Can this be changed to payout (at the much lower wholesale rate, I get that) then changed back if we ever want the rollover again? I get it the payout will only be a few hundred dollars but curious to know the process from others who may have done this.”

            Azdave commented with his experience (thank you Dave). On the other hand, telling someone to “call SCE” or “Google the info” is less than helpful. That’s like going to a DIY webpage seeking advice on changing a water pump and having someone respond “to change your water pump just take your car to a mechanic”.

            I’ve already searched the SCE website and it does not appear to address the issue. There a page about NSCR as well as the dollar amount but that wasn’t the point of my inquiry. It was to ask others about their past experiences. If for some reason this is explained somewhere, by all means please post a link, previous post, etc.

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            • J.P.M.
              Solar Fanatic
              • Aug 2013
              • 14995

              #7
              Originally posted by azdave

              I'll bet the recording says..."We are currently experiencing higher than normal call volumes..."


              I would be inclined to keep the surplus for later use assuming the credit never goes away, and you have no plans to move and close the account in the near future. Why take such a low wholesale value for it in cash? We are forced to do that annually and I would much, much rather keep that surplus for use on a rainy day (pun intended).
              Yea, it probably does, but nothing can replace persistence. I Think I was one of the people who had a hand in getting SDG&E and the other CA I.O.U.'s to publish their historic rate schedules a number of years ago. I heard something like that message until I made such a PITA of myself that I got an inside # to call when I was working on historic rate increases and percentages.
              Info on overgeneration policies is available on SCE's website, or at least there's a path to the info there.
              I'd guess looking for it is about as time consuming and troublesome as all the angst and aggravation created and the time wasted complaining about a self inflicted problem.

              I'm probably alone in seeing a lot of irony when folks oversize and then bitch, cry and moan like children about the lousy compensation for overproduction ??

              I too oversized but with pretty good knowledge of the costs and consequences - paid my money and made my choices and maximizing cost effectiveness was not a high priority. I consider the lousy compensation to be the cost of the choices, but I don't blame the POCO for what I did.

              More irony: A lot of my neighbors oversized to the point that they would have been money ahead by not getting an oversized system at all.
              They paid more for a system that's producing a lot of excess power in an entirely non cost-effective way with the after-tax credit simple payback on the intentional excess capacity for this climate being something like:

              $2.10/excess STC W)/((1.7kWh/yr*STC W)*($0.03/STC kW)) ~ = 41 yrs. for that portion of an array that's generating the annual excess capacity.
              At that payback, it doesn't take much oversizing to kill cost effectiveness, and that's in a very sunny climate.
              Last edited by J.P.M.; 09-14-2022, 12:16 AM.

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