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  • jay
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 10

    #1

    required a design

    Dear all,

    I need to get 26 Amps /hr daily with out depending on convention energy like electricity or DG . what should be my battery bank size and PV panel size and volt, to get the out put
    we are expecting we can get the avearge sunlight 6 hrs

    whether we can use LED lamps in cloud and night conditions to get a better productivity of solar panel

    Thanking you,
    Jay
    Last edited by jay; 12-21-2010, 05:55 AM. Reason: spell correction
  • russ
    Solar Fanatic
    • Jul 2009
    • 10360

    #2
    Hi Jay - Welcome to Solar Panel Talk!

    What is your approximate location - then I can use PV Watts for the historical insolation value.

    Russ
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    • jay
      Junior Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 10

      #3
      Thanks for the reply, my location in india (north part of india)
      Originally posted by russ
      Hi Jay - Welcome to Solar Panel Talk!

      What is your approximate location - then I can use PV Watts for the historical insolation value.

      Russ

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      • Mike90250
        Moderator
        • May 2009
        • 16020

        #4
        Originally posted by jay
        ....electricity or DG . .....
        What is DG ???

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        • russ
          Solar Fanatic
          • Jul 2009
          • 10360

          #5
          From PV Watts

          For a 1000 watt DC installation using New Dehli location
          Month Solar Radiation(kWh/m2/day) ACEnergy(kWh)
          1 5.56 124
          2 5.90 116
          3 6.65 141
          4 7.01 140
          5 6.91 138
          6 6.34 123
          7 5.28 107
          8 5.25 108
          9 5.89 117
          10 6.17 128
          11 5.74 117
          12 5.56 121
          Year 6.02 1479

          What this does not say is how many days you do not have sun - especially how many consecutive days. Important for sizing the battery bank. During the monsoon period you have cloudy periods - right? Do they last for days such as in Gujarat?

          You are far enough south you may get the 6 hours per day - right now I get about 4.

          You mentioned 26 amps per hour but no voltage.

          Someone else can better help you with comments on a system than I but they should have enough information now (I hope).

          Russ
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          • russ
            Solar Fanatic
            • Jul 2009
            • 10360

            #6
            Hi Mike - He will mean diesel generator. If I didn't request adequate information would you please add what is necessary.
            Thanks,
            Russ

            Originally posted by Mike90250
            What is DG ???

            Design Guide
            Dog Generated waste
            Data General
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            • Sunking
              Solar Fanatic
              • Feb 2010
              • 23301

              #7
              Originally posted by jay
              I need to get 26 Amps /hr daily
              Huh? This is meaningless without a voltage.
              MSEE, PE

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              • jay
                Junior Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 10

                #8
                required your attention

                Originally posted by russ
                Hi Mike - He will mean diesel generator. If I didn't request adequate information would you please add what is necessary.
                Thanks,
                Russ
                Dear Russ,

                Thanking you for the support

                I can provide you more information ,
                we need 22 to 26 Amps, total volt comes 48 v , my vision is to minimize Electricity usage and diesel generator
                if I am going with 600 Ah battery, 35v PV panel , with expectation of sunlight 4hrs
                how much I am expect to get power backup in solar .



                whether my idea to put LED lamps around the PV panel connecting with light sensor so that power generation may possible in cloudy and in night , LED lamps will take 2 to 4 w . so Please guide me
                you,
                Jay

                Thanking

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                • Sunking
                  Solar Fanatic
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 23301

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jay
                  I can provide you more information ,
                  we need 22 to 26 Amps, total volt comes 48 v ,
                  For how many hours per day?

                  48 volts at 22 to 26 amps is 1056 to 1248 watts. So how many hours per day will you use. We need the watt hours which = watts x hours. So for example if you supply 1256 watts for 5 hours each day = 1256 watts x 5 hours = 6280 watt hours.
                  MSEE, PE

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                  • jay
                    Junior Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 10

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Sunking
                    For how many hours per day?

                    48 volts at 22 to 26 amps is 1056 to 1248 watts. So how many hours per day will you use. We need the watt hours which = watts x hours. So for example if you supply 1256 watts for 5 hours each day = 1256 watts x 5 hours = 6280 watt hours.
                    Dear sunking,


                    Thanks for the support,

                    That last one which i inquired whether we can get a mileage in putting LED lamps.

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                    • Mike90250
                      Moderator
                      • May 2009
                      • 16020

                      #11
                      I put blue LED's under my truck, but I still only get 13MPG city.

                      i inquired whether we can get a mileage in putting LED lamps.
                      Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                      || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                      || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                      solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                      gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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                      • russ
                        Solar Fanatic
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 10360

                        #12
                        You blew it Mike! They should have been red LEDs!

                        Blue is said to reduce mileage! Don' remember who said that - may have been the barber.

                        For Jay - any lamp that uses less watts and still supplies the lumens required are a positive thing.

                        Russ
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                        • jay
                          Junior Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 10

                          #13
                          Originally posted by russ
                          You blew it Mike! They should have been red LEDs!



                          Blue is said to reduce mileage! Don' remember who said that - may have been the barber.

                          For Jay - any lamp that uses less watts and still supplies the lumens required are a positive thing.

                          Russ

                          Dear Russ/mike,


                          Thanks for the valid updations just I am planning to try the LED lamps Just for a sake of experiment


                          Thanking you,
                          Jay

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                          • Mike90250
                            Moderator
                            • May 2009
                            • 16020

                            #14
                            Originally posted by jay
                            whether my idea to put LED lamps around the PV panel connecting with light sensor so that power generation may possible in cloudy and in night

                            Sorry, PV panels need bright, strong daylight to work, LED lights will not be bright enough. You are thinking of perpetual motion, which with all the losses in solar, will not work.
                            Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                            || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                            || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                            solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                            gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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                            • russ
                              Solar Fanatic
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 10360

                              #15
                              Providing artificial light to a solar panel for power production will only add inefficiency to inefficiency. Efficiency is not solar PV's strong point to begin with.

                              I was thinking you intended to use LED's to reduce power consumption.

                              Adding artificial light to a panel will not do anything positive - except that you could see the panel surface at night.

                              Russ
                              [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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