Running water pump with solar panel (no battery) possible?

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  • pmaru77
    Member
    • Feb 2012
    • 49

    #1

    Running water pump with solar panel (no battery) possible?

    I've got a 20 watt solar panel laying around and I picked up a water pump for making a fountain. The pump is rated 12vdc and the panel is putting out 18v. I did a quick test to see if the pump would work right off the panel, and it did. But can this be done long term? Or should I use a requlator or something to bring the voltage down. Also what happens when panel is not putting out nough power? any damage?
  • SunEagle
    Super Moderator
    • Oct 2012
    • 15161

    #2
    Originally posted by pmaru77
    I've got a 20 watt solar panel laying around and I picked up a water pump for making a fountain. The pump is rated 12vdc and the panel is putting out 18v. I did a quick test to see if the pump would work right off the panel, and it did. But can this be done long term? Or should I use a requlator or something to bring the voltage down. Also what happens when panel is not putting out nough power? any damage?
    It all depends on the DC motor electrical rating on the pump. They should be able to handle voltages above 12vdc but maybe not as high as what the panel can put out. Also if the panel is not producing enough "current" the pump will either slow down or stop.

    I have a couple of roof vent fans that use 10 watt solar panels. The fans will run at various speeds depending on how much the sun is shining at the time. The DC motors on the fans were designed to run directly off a solar panel but your water pump might not be designed like that.

    If your pump requires a consistent power source to run properly then you will need a battery and charger with that 20 watt panel to make it work.

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    • FunGas
      Member
      • Aug 2012
      • 99

      #3
      I don't think that pump motor will ever reach 18V with a 20W panel.

      When the motor is not getting enough Voltage to start it will squeal, I had a similar problem with extractor fans and solved it like this.
      Dem

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      • SunEagle
        Super Moderator
        • Oct 2012
        • 15161

        #4
        Originally posted by FunGas
        I don't think that pump motor will ever reach 18V with a 20W panel.
        It is possible to have a 20 watt panel with a Vmp greater than 17.5volts. I have some 40 watt panels that have that Vmp rating.

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        • pmaru77
          Member
          • Feb 2012
          • 49

          #5
          I checked the panel again............

          .and I am getting a reading 20v-18v depending on the panel orientation. I hooked up a pump I have (12v) and it is pumping off the panel as we speak, and I figure I'd run it today to see if it makes it. I'd imagine it would fail sooner rather than later, later being in a few days. Otherwise it should last 10,000 hrs as advertised......I'd be happy with half of that.

          Question: If my panel is putting out 20 watts, and all I have is the pump attached that takes 5 watts, am I correct that the pump will use what it needs for power and the excess power does not really exist since there is no where for it to go?

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          • inetdog
            Super Moderator
            • May 2012
            • 9909

            #6
            Originally posted by pmaru77
            Question: If my panel is putting out 20 watts, and all I have is the pump attached that takes 5 watts, am I correct that the pump will use what it needs for power and the excess power does not really exist since there is no where for it to go?
            Yes, your panel is capable of putting out 20 watts under the right circumstances and with the right load.
            The light energy it does not convert to electrical energy just gets converted to heat in the panel.
            Same thing that already happens to ~80% of the incident light energy.
            SunnyBoy 3000 US, 18 BP Solar 175B panels.

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            • Shockah
              Solar Fanatic
              • Nov 2013
              • 569

              #7
              As long as you are ok with your fountain pump stopping whenever there is cloud cover, then it will be ok.

              The longevity of the pump motor depends on its quality and design.

              Then there is the option of using a Linear Boost Converter (sp?)...
              [CENTER]SunLight @ Night[/CENTER]

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              • inetdog
                Super Moderator
                • May 2012
                • 9909

                #8
                Originally posted by Shockah
                Then there is the option of using a Linear Boost Converter (sp?)...
                More often spelled Linear Current Booster.
                SunnyBoy 3000 US, 18 BP Solar 175B panels.

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                • Shockah
                  Solar Fanatic
                  • Nov 2013
                  • 569

                  #9
                  Originally posted by inetdog
                  More often spelled Linear Current Booster.
                  Haha, thanks... CRS kicked in on that one.
                  [CENTER]SunLight @ Night[/CENTER]

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