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  • Sharich
    Junior Member
    • May 2014
    • 9

    #1

    De-Icer?

    Living in the Great North East, we have snow. Last winter I had a couple of weeks that I couldn't use my solar due to the snow.
    At 70+ I don't see me getting out a ladder and shoveling off the panels. I was thinking of using my pump crop sprayer with car windshield deicer to clear the panels, the spray reaches.
    Would this harm the glass?
    Sharich
  • russ
    Solar Fanatic
    • Jul 2009
    • 10360

    #2
    The deicer solution needs to be guaranteed to not damage the surface or seals of the panels. For example - Rain-X says they have not tested their solution on solar panels so refuse to comment.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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    • Sharich
      Junior Member
      • May 2014
      • 9

      #3
      De-Icer

      Thanks', any other thoughts?

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      • mapmaker
        Solar Fanatic
        • Aug 2012
        • 353

        #4
        Originally posted by Sharich
        Thanks', any other thoughts?
        The engineers over at Midnite have played around with pumping power back into the panels to heat them up. There are a few discussions on their forum. It does work. It doesn't seem to have caught on in the industry. Maybe its not cost effective... Perhaps we need a govt program to stimulate the panel warming industry

        --mapmaker
        ob 3524, FM60, ePanel, 4 L16, 4 x 235 watt panels

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        • Sunking
          Solar Fanatic
          • Feb 2010
          • 23301

          #5
          Originally posted by mapmaker
          The engineers over at Midnite have played around with pumping power back into the panels to heat them up. There are a few discussions on their forum. It does work. It doesn't seem to have caught on in the industry. Maybe its not cost effective... Perhaps we need a govt program to stimulate the panel warming industry
          Solar panels can generate power, or use power. Trick is if you want to heat them takes a DC source with a voltage that matches the array DC voltage. Not easy to pull off.
          MSEE, PE

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          • Shockah
            Solar Fanatic
            • Nov 2013
            • 569

            #6
            Originally posted by mapmaker
            Maybe its not cost effective... Perhaps we need a govt program to stimulate the panel warming industry

            --mapmaker
            hehe...
            [CENTER]SunLight @ Night[/CENTER]

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            • bcroe
              Solar Fanatic
              • Jan 2012
              • 5209

              #7
              Originally posted by Sharich
              Living in the Great North East, we have snow. Last winter I had a couple of weeks that I couldn't use my solar due to the snow. At 70+ I don't see me getting out a ladder and shoveling off the panels. I was thinking of using my pump crop sprayer with car windshield deicer to clear the panels, the spray reaches. Would this harm the glass? Sharich
              Exactly the same in northern IL, except I had to clear the panels about 20 times
              (just at sunrise) to keep the power flowing. Next time I'll try setting them more
              vertical, but that won't be a complete cure. Much easier with a ground mount.

              I hope to run the snow melting experiment next time, but at the least it will take
              a lot of power. My first guess is 3KW DC will let me melt 1 string of the same
              size, then go to the next string. Next year.......

              Do keep in mind, your panels may run at dangerous voltage. My snow scraper is
              11' of insulated pole. Bruce Roe

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              • Mike90250
                Moderator
                • May 2009
                • 16020

                #8
                Originally posted by bcroe
                ... My snow scraper is 11' of insulated pole. Bruce Roe
                Is that wet, insulated pole ?
                Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

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                • SunEagle
                  Super Moderator
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 15161

                  #9
                  Originally posted by mapmaker
                  The engineers over at Midnite have played around with pumping power back into the panels to heat them up. There are a few discussions on their forum. It does work. It doesn't seem to have caught on in the industry. Maybe its not cost effective... Perhaps we need a govt program to stimulate the panel warming industry

                  --mapmaker
                  Wait. Didn't those solar roadway panels in that "Freakin Video" have heaters in them to keep the snow off. Didn't the government help fund that research?

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                  • bcroe
                    Solar Fanatic
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 5209

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Mike90250
                    Is that wet, insulated pole ?
                    At 20 below zero, no they weren't wet. Keep in mind, pure water is
                    a decent insulator, but with a low breakdown voltage. Bruce

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