"Revamping the electric grid could yield huge cost savings, SolarCity report says"

[bob_bob]

Hey, your right to complain rather than doing anything about the problem has a long history in the US, and you have every right to do so.

Why are you such a big fan of utilities overcharging customers? Why are you such a big fan of lack of competition? And it is very American to talk about political issues comrade.

[SunEagle]

Electric utilities have used the monopoly to screw consumers, but as solar and batteries become cheaper, consumers now have an option and will have more of an option as rates get lower. The most efficient way to have electricity now is to use the grid with a non-corrupt utility that leeches off the consumer. Saying , "Anyone here can go off the net if they are willing to pay for it; very few do." ignores why the electric utility has a monopoly in the first place. They have a monopoly because it doesn't make sense for multiple firms to have their own line to customers. They have a monopoly because consumers can't easily switch. Because consumers didn't have an option before, they charged much more then was justified and utilities earned monopoly rent. So utilities now give large campaign contributions to get politicians to do things which benefit them at the expense of their customers. It's political corruption.

But as time goes on, solar and going off grid becomes an actual alternative. Competition is good for consumers and bad for utility companies. I know some utility employees and trust me they aren't the sharpest bulbs. Unions should be banned.

It sounds like you have an issue with Unions and Electric Utilities. I feel bad for you if you have been subjected to a bad experience but from my experience it isn't the same for all Unions and Utilities.

For over 40 years and a number of different jobs I have gotten the chance to be acquainted with many people that worked for POCO's. Also for 8 years I was a salaried supervisor for a great many union electricians and instrument techs. Most of those people were hard workers, very intelligent and never went out of their way to screw the public.

Feeling like you are being cheated by your POCO is your own issue. Believing that all POCO or Union people are corrupt or dumb is just plain wrong and IMO very hateful.

[Sunking]

Utilities are inefficient monopolies which are facing competition for the first time.

Get a grip on reality. Solar is no threat to a utility. Only threat is to the public by being ripped off by solar.

[jflorey2]

Why are you such a big fan of utilities overcharging customers?

I'm not. I get pretty good value for my dollar from my utility. Again, if you feel you are not, then stop complaining and do something about it.

Why are you such a big fan of lack of competition?

I'm not! I encourage you to compete with your utility with your very own power system. Put your money where your mouth is. (Or just bitch; up to you.)

[bob_bob]

I'm not. I get pretty good value for my dollar from my utility. Again, if you feel you are not, then stop complaining and do something about it.

I'm not! I encourage you to compete with your utility with your very own power system. Put your money where your mouth is. (Or just bitch; up to you.)

The solution to this problem is informing people. You are right I should organize of the utility company rip off. Maybe the fact that Calfornia utilities are ripping off consumers to the tune of 1.6 billion dollar a year doesn't bother you, but it matter to poor people. People need to put pressure on the PUC so it acts in the best interest of the ratepayers and not the utility company. I like in a city so, solar panels aren't a option. But you are right, I'm going to write a letter to my congressman and senator to address this gross rip off of rate payers.

[Sunking]

The solution to this problem is informing people. .

Hogwash. The country is flooded with info. 99% of it is BS propaganda from a noisy minority activist who have no clue what they are talking about. Either that or they are in the biz with vested and making up the BS. My guess is you have vested interest.

[jflorey2]

But you are right, I'm going to write a letter to my congressman and senator to address this gross rip off of rate payers.

So - your solution is to complain to someone. That's your right as an American. Other people solve their own problems with their own money, work, sweat and ingenuity. I tend to prefer the latter type. But to each their own.

[8.4]

Is bob_bob, DanKegel and veritass the same person? It seems like solar is the greatest thing in the world and everything else (relating to power) is either ripping somebody off or killing people.

[J.P.M.]

Is bob_bob, DanKegel and veritass the same person? It seems like solar is the greatest thing in the world and everything else (relating to power) is either ripping somebody off or killing people.

I kind of doubt it. Such opinions are quite common and, IMO only, and ironically, less helpful to their cause than as those on the "other" side who think solar/R.E. is useless and all our problems would somehow and magically, or, at least without substantive explanation, evaporate if we'd only generate all grid power with nukes, etc.

Seems to me that the world and most in it are becoming terminally stupid with one result (of which this is an example) being that things continue to get more polarized and dichotomous as we proceed on this headlong rush into idiocracy. That the rants seem to be more vituperative and common than in the past may be another result/consequence of the rush to mental sloth - ignorance breeds fear.

Take what you want of the above. Scrap the rest.

[Sunking]

Is bob_bob, DanKegel and veritass the same person? It seems like solar is the greatest thing in the world and everything else (relating to power) is either ripping somebody off or killing people.

You read my mind. Mods can determine that in a second, If true terminate their, err all his accounts.

[J.P.M.]

You read my mind. Mods can determine that in a second, If true terminate their, err all his accounts.

I don't think they're the same. The opinions have some similarities but the M.O.'s are different.

[inetdog]

You read my mind. Mods can determine that in a second, If true terminate their, err all his accounts.

FWIW veritass and bob_bob appear to be originating from the same IP address, but that is not conclusive. DanKegel uses a different IP address, but that is not conclusive either.
More detailed analysis, such as HTTP User Agent, would require console access to the server, not just the Forum software, if that information is available at all.

[J.P.M.]

FWIW veritass and bob_bob appear to be originating from the same IP address, but that is not conclusive. DanKegel uses a different IP address, but that is not conclusive either.
More detailed analysis, such as HTTP User Agent, would require console access to the server, not just the Forum software, if that information is available at all.

Now that you mention it, overall, Dan does seem a bit less belligerent and less persecuted than the other two posters. Who knows ? Or, does it really matter all that much ?

[SunEagle]

FWIW veritass and bob_bob appear to be originating from the same IP address, but that is not conclusive. DanKegel uses a different IP address, but that is not conclusive either.
More detailed analysis, such as HTTP User Agent, would require console access to the server, not just the Forum software, if that information is available at all.

I would agree that based on their IP address both bob_bob and veritass hale from the same neck of the woods.

While DanKegel and I do not always agree with each other I look forward to and enjoy reading his posts.

[Sunking]

I would agree that based on their IP address both bob_bob and veritass hale from the same neck of the woods..

This is getting comical. If they have the same IP or originating IP Address guess what? They are the same person. You have the smoking gun in one hand and the other red hand in the cookie jar.

But I understand even though this Forum and any other Forum have a No Tolerance Policy for Multiple User Names, you let it slide. Ask John, it worked for him. You know i am right.