Solaredge HD-wave

[emartin00]

Hopefully you see this response. Looking for some feedback. I'm getting ready to order my system right now. I'm looking at a 9.4 KW system using the SE10000A (future upgrades to 11.6KW planned in a couple years). Would you recommend sticking to this plan or doing the SE7600H with the newer tech? According to their data, the 11.6KW would still be under their 155% oversizing threshold, so that inverter could work for me, in theory.

Any thoughts? If they do ship by the end of Q1, that will work with my install timeline.

If all of your panels will be facing the same direction, 11.6kW is going to be too large for the 7600W inverter. It may still work, but you are going to lose out on a lot of power.
I also don't believe the SE7600H is on sale quite yet. I thought it was going to be a Q2 release.
The marginal gain in efficiency won't come close to the power you gain from going with a larger inverter.

[badutahboy]

cheaper
The SE3000H is about $100 less than the SE3000A. Same for the SE3800H vs SE3800A
should be around the end of the quarter
not sure about upgrade. there is no indication that it will be upgradable (and none that it will not be either).

Hopefully you see this response. Looking for some feedback. I'm getting ready to order my system right now. I'm looking at a 9.4 KW system using the SE10000A (future upgrades to 11.6KW planned in a couple years). Would you recommend sticking to this plan or doing the SE7600H with the newer tech? According to their data, the 11.6KW would still be under their 155% oversizing threshold, so that inverter could work for me, in theory.

Any thoughts? If they do ship by the end of Q1, that will work with my install timeline.

[ButchDeal]

do you expect HDwave to be at the same price range as the older models sold now?

is the HDwave 3Kw the same price as the regular solaredge 3Kw in price now?
when do you expect the HDwave 7.6Kw to be released?
any idea if the optional outlet can be added on later?

cheaper
The SE3000H is about $100 less than the SE3000A. Same for the SE3800H vs SE3800A
should be around the end of the quarter
not sure about upgrade. there is no indication that it will be upgradable (and none that it will not be either).

[doctorman]

They have not advertised this as far as I can tell. according to the spec sheet the 7.6kw (they don't have a 7kw inverter) along with all the smaller inverters in the HDWave line will have an OPTIONAL self sustaining outlet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBGLlPFpTSU

There has been no indication or anything about them replacing the 10kw or 11.4kw inverters

do you expect HDwave to be at the same price range as the older models sold now?

is the HDwave 3Kw the same price as the regular solaredge 3Kw in price now?
when do you expect the HDwave 7.6Kw to be released?
any idea if the optional outlet can be added on later?

[ButchDeal]

They heard your concern and are offering a warranty extension from 12 to 20 years for $120. Hopefully they are big enough now to be around that long or have insured their warranty like some module manufacturers.

SolarEdge has offered the 20 and 25 year warranty extensions on all the inverters. This is not new

From what I understand, the HD-Wave version is trading out more tested / established inverter circuitry for an architecture that has more points of failure using components that may be more prone to failure.

It is actually less components in the new architecture so less points of failure and significantly less heat.

[ButchDeal]

it is in the data sheet
attached

Yes I have posted the data sheet for weeks now. A tech data sheet is not advertising though.

[adoublee]

I pretty much agree with this. From what I understand, the HD-Wave version is trading out more tested / established inverter circuitry for an architecture that has more points of failure using components that may be more prone to failure. From my perspective, lots of risk for not much gain.

They heard your concern and are offering a warranty extension from 12 to 20 years for $120. Hopefully they are big enough now to be around that long or have insured their warranty like some module manufacturers.

[doctorman]

They have not advertised this as far as I can tell. according to the spec sheet the 7.6kw (they don't have a 7kw inverter) along with all the smaller inverters in the HDWave line will have an OPTIONAL self sustaining outlet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBGLlPFpTSU

There has been no indication or anything about them replacing the 10kw or 11.4kw inverters

it is in the data sheet
attached

[ButchDeal]

will the bigger units like the 7Kw have the power outlet option as advertised?

SELF-SUSTAINING POWER OUTLET (OPTIONAL)
Nominal Output Voltage 120 V
Maximum Output Power 1500(2) W
External Outlet with GFDI YES

They have not advertised this as far as I can tell. according to the spec sheet the 7.6kw (they don't have a 7kw inverter) along with all the smaller inverters in the HDWave line will have an OPTIONAL self sustaining outlet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBGLlPFpTSU

There has been no indication or anything about them replacing the 10kw or 11.4kw inverters

[ButchDeal]

That is good to hear. Glad they are moving forward with those options.

yeah the efficiency is nice but they are smaller lighter so easier to install and fit into places.
The also meet rapid shutdown for 2017 code. (automatic shutdown)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBGLlPFpTSU

The energy coming out should be a smoother curve as well.

[doctorman]

will the bigger units like the 7Kw have the power outlet option as advertised?

SELF-SUSTAINING POWER OUTLET (OPTIONAL)
Nominal Output Voltage 120 V
Maximum Output Power 1500(2) W
External Outlet with GFDI YES

[SunEagle]

the 3000 and 3800 were shipping early January. We have switched our smaller systems to the HDWave inverters.

The 5000, 6000, and 7600 versions are supposed to ship by the end of the quarter

That is good to hear. Glad they are moving forward with those options.

[ButchDeal]

this is a great topic and I wanted to revive it

anyupdate on the HDwave model

the 3000 and 3800 were shipping early January. We have switched our smaller systems to the HDWave inverters.

The 5000, 6000, and 7600 versions are supposed to ship by the end of the quarter

[doctorman]

this is a great topic and I wanted to revive it

anyupdate on the HDwave model

[TimeOrMoney]

The thing SolarEdge could get out of this is lower cost due to the smaller overall size (less metal, plastic). In terms of whether it'll be more or less reliable, it depends upon the design. I led product design (and production) teams for 25 years, so know that some organizations put timeliness ahead of quality. That always costs a company more in the long run. The place I worked longest for had a mantra: safety, quality, timeliness, cost (in that order) and we engineers were evaluated to that. Point is, we don't know the SolarEdge internal processes, so it's hard to know whether the "HD wave" will be more or less reliable. At least the financials of the company look good enough that they may be around long enough to make good on their warranty.