Panasonic residential storage

[Sunking]

um.. ok.. wow.

You really have no idea then do you? The USA electric generation fuel source. The 1% petroleum is diesel for Hawaii and coastal islands. Solar at .11% can be ignored as it contributes nothing. No one would ever miss it.

[kevcor620]

granted, while 67% of electricity IN THE UNITED STATES is generated trough fossil fuels, it is mostly coal and natural gas, with a small percentage of oil. However, that is not the case with many of our economic partners in this new global economy. In fact, some countries generate more than 50% of their electricity from petroleum. My point is that the continued development of renewable energy to lessen long term dependance of oil (and other non-renewables) is a positive and worthy goal for not only environmental, but also economic and diplomatic reasons. I hope that the U.S. leads the way in this, as it has the potential to be the new global economic "bubble" that the internet was in the 90's.

[kevcor620]

and as far as "not knowing what you are talking about", I think the person who made that statement should look into a mirror rather than a computer screen.

[Sunking]

However, that is not the case with many of our economic partners in this new global economy. In fact, some countries generate more than 50% of their electricity from petroleum.

Not our problem and we have no say in what other countries do as they are sovereign and could care less what you or the USA thinks or does.

[kevcor620]

Not our problem and we have no say in what other countries do as they are sovereign and could care less what you or the USA thinks or does.

As long as we are an economic superpower, what we do does remain relevant, and other countries have no choice but to care. Why do you think we are targeted by terrorists? The simple point I was trying to make was that the development and eventual widespread deployment of renewable energy is a gold-mine that some other country will enrich from unless we do it first. Net-metering, ITC's, rebates, and other incentives is how we open that door and plant our flag in the soil. So lets not stomp our feet up and down and whine like little babies that net-metering is unfair to utilities. Utilities have PLENTY of unfair advantages through subsidy and regulatory programs. the incentives for renewables are a drop in the bucket compared to what the utility cartel gets, and we should be encouraging more of it, rather than pouting about it.

[Sunking]

Why do you think we are targeted by terrorists?

Because we are free for now but loosing freedom daily, , and Infidels.

Net-metering, ITC's, rebates, and other incentives is how we open that door and plant our flag in the soil. .

All welfare for the those who can afford it without the poor and blue collar support.

[kevcor620]

Because we are free for now but loosing freedom daily, , and Infidels.

I've read enough of your posts to know that you are too smart to actually believe that foolish Bush-ism, but good try. Does Exxon/Mobile send you free replacement knee pads for every 100 posts?

All welfare for the those who can afford it without the poor and blue collar support.

Hence, ITC, net-metering, and rebates opening the RE door to the blue collar crowd. IMO, we should be doing more, not less, of these incentives to give the poor and working class an alternative choice to your beloved utility cartel who enjoy over $550 Billion in "welfare".

[Legacy]

Dont know if anyone wants input from someone who is from B.C.and is living
with this rediculous "carbon tax" But here I go.

First I read that study and it is so full of bs I barely know where to start.
But to quote it they use such "real" science "Empirical and simulation models"
As person that know one or two things about models is that so many are GIGO.

A couple of points for you to ponder,there have been no usable tax cuts for
low income people as I would know Iam one. The back story on that is I am
permantly ill from actual pollution that the government will not do a damn
thing about , I might give the rest of that story in the future,but I
digress.

If any of you think that gov employees work for free to collect and distribute
this tax then you are delusional,there is a lot of other overhead as well.

It just cost me more for the propane for heating and the gas for my truck and
as far as the pittance they send back in a check for low income people such as
myself it wont fill the tank on my truck with gas even once. By the way the price
at the pump for gas is $1.29L ($5.08 imperial gal) ($4.88 for a U.S. gal)we are
paying as if the barrel of oil was still around $100.
This also has translated into increases in food and other products, they dont deliver
this for free you know.

As for other taxes and fees they have stayed the same (sales tax)or gone up (medical premiums)
and another point of interest is the government run power company has been paying more
into the gov general revenue, a back door tax if you will for the water that flows
through the dams.At the same time we are getting increases in electicity rate
every 4 to six months.

They keep telling people its for repair and maintenance, boy can I tell you some
stories about that bs.

So in closing everything has gone up because of this CO2 tax , the proper name,
and as far as a certain person calling people "climate change denialists" I find
that discusting as they seen to be the one that is denying that it changed before
man was burning fossil fuels,by the way I have a lot of free time to study this
and another hobby of mine paleobiology and it has given me insite into the fact
we are no where near as warm as the earth has been in the past when flora and fauna
life exploded let alone the past several thousand years.

If this person want to use the correct term not the rev al gore term then use CAGW
sceptic.

[DanKegel]

A couple of points for you to ponder,there have been no usable tax cuts for
low income people as I would know Iam one.

... as far as the pittance they send back in a check for low income people such as
myself it wont fill the tank on my truck with gas even once.

Do you get the $115 low-income carbon tax credit?

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/topic.page?id=E9258ADE1AE3423080A1B2674F4EAABD

I think the carbon tax on gasoline is 6.7 cents per litre,

http://www.fin.gov.bc.ca/tbs/tp/climate/A4.htm

Let's see; that credit would pay for the carbon tax on $115 / $0.0067 = 17,100 litres of gasoline.
How big is your tank?

[Legacy]

Do you get the $115 low-income carbon tax credit?

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/topic.page?id=E9258ADE1AE3423080A1B2674F4EAABD

I think the carbon tax on gasoline is 6.7 cents per litre,

http://www.fin.gov.bc.ca/tbs/tp/climate/A4.htm

Let's see; that credit would pay for the carbon tax on $115 / $0.0067 = 17,100 gallons of gasoline.
How big is your tank?

Let see first of all "The maximum annual payment amount for the period July 2015 to June 2016 is $115.50 for yourself"
no I don't , most I have ever received I think was about $60 that amount would not fill my tank at $1.29 L , I cant recall
any place in Canada let alone where you are getting gas for 6.7 cents a litre
don't forget I pay carbon tax on propane for heat and if you think the companies who deliver products that I consume
, food ect , are doing it for free you need to rethink how economies work , and by the way learn math. 115/ by what?

I am unsure what it will be this year but last year it was $57.74

[DanKegel]

Let see first of all "The maximum annual payment amount for the period July 2015 to June 2016 is $115.50 for yourself"
no I don't , most I have ever received I think was about $60

OK. If the carbon tax on gasoline is $0.0067 per litre, $60 will pay for the tax on $60 / $0.0067 = 9000 litres of gasoline. Right?

My commute is only 100 km/week, and my car uses about 8 litres per 100 km, so I use about 800 litres/year personally. But maybe you use a lot more?

that amount would not fill my tank at $1.29 L , I cant recall
any place in Canada let alone where you are getting gas for 6.7 cents a litre

6.7 cents / litre is the tax. Why should you expect free gas? The check is to help compensate you for the tax, not the gasoline upon which the tax is levied.

don't forget I pay carbon tax on propane for heat

OK. How many litres of propane do you use per year?

[Legacy]

Good grief you still cant do math and you still ignore that I still pay more for everything
and there has been no drop in taxes that help me everything has gone up for me.

I didn't say I wanted free gas but until you learn to read I cant see arguing with you as you
know nothing about what is actually going on here and next you will tell me our medical is free here

[DanKegel]

Good grief you still cant do math

What math mistake did I make?

How much gasoline and propane do you use per year? Let's figure out what the carbon tax is on that amount and compare it to the rebate you get.

Yes, your suppliers pay the carbon tax, but their taxes are reduced to compensate, so it should even out, shouldn't it?

[Legacy]

What math mistake did I make?

How much gasoline and propane do you use per year? Let's figure out what the carbon tax is on that amount and compare it to the rebate you get.

Yes, your suppliers pay the carbon tax, but their taxes are reduced to compensate, so it should even out, shouldn't it?

Well either its an indictment of the American educational system or you have taken common core.
In Canada and last I heard in the U.S. there are 100 cent to the dollar or .01 not .001 so 6.7 cents
is .067 not .0067 that make $60/.067 or 900L approx. Now as for my propane we will ignore my use gas
for the moment. My propane use varies from year to year but I will use last years.
I filled up 1084L (240imp) of course that is for the year before use , that cost me $50.10 in CO2 tax or 4.6 cents
per L since the CO2 tax we now have transport charge last fill up was $10 to cover the shipping the fuel.

As you can see thing are not always the way you think they are an as far as filling my gas tank
that $60 would only pay for the CO2 tax on 10 fill ups or so or in the area of 10 weeks of driving up here.
But unfortunately the CO2 tax was brought in by Pols who live closer to there work.

The maximum annual payment amount for the period July 2015 to June 2016 is $115.50 for yourself,

You need to get out of that bubble that is California

[DanKegel]

Well either its an indictment of the American educational system or you have taken common core.
In Canada and last I heard in the U.S. there are 100 cent to the dollar or .01 not .001

Ha! No need to blame the educational system for that -- I'm just an idiot Thanks for the correction.

I filled up 1084L [of propane] ... $50.10 in CO2 tax

OK, so the rebate check covered the direct carbon tax on your propane.

since the CO2 tax we now have transport charge last fill up was $10 to cover the shipping the fuel.

Delivery charges, hmm. http://www.lpgasmagazine.com/lp-gas-...ailers-issues/
mentions that in 2006, "More and more companies are beginning to charge some type of delivery fee. While $2 or $3 per delivery may seem negligible, it adds up when you apply it to the number of deliveries you make per year." I haven't found any other data on delivery charges (pricing is hard to find online), but I could imagine propane delivery companies arbitrarily increasing delivery fees and blaming it on whatever.

How much gasoline do you use per year?