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[Sunking]

? I'd pay a revenue-neutral carbon tax, and enjoy the lower sales or income tax rate, just like anyone else. It's hard for me to understand why you think I think a carbon tax wouldn't apply to me, too.

Start writing checks and give the money away. No tax breaks will be offered. It is a pure SCAM and you drank the Kool-Aide. So make yourself feel better and write checks. The rest of will feel bad keeping our money.

[kevcor620]

Start writing checks and give the money away. No tax breaks will be offered. It is a pure SCAM and you drank the Kool-Aide. So make yourself feel better and write checks. The rest of will feel bad keeping our money.

And if we don't start taking meaningful steps to lessen our dependance on foreign oil, we can keep on writing checks for wars we have no buisness fighting. Does anyone really believe that we would have stuck our noses into a border war between Iraq and Kuwait if we didn't have such substantial energy stakes in the region? And how did that work out in terms of long term relations with the people of the middle east? Maybe if we can become less dependent on them over time, we can start minding our own business and generating so much hatred against us for inserting ourselves into pissing contests that have been going on for two thousand years. Oil is in the middle east. The sun is everywhere.

[Sunking]

And if we don't start taking meaningful steps to lessen our dependance on foreign oil, we can keep on writing checks for wars we have no buisness fighting. Does anyone really believe that we would have stuck our noses into a border war between Iraq and Kuwait if we didn't have such substantial energy stakes in the region? And how did that work out in terms of long term relations with the people of the middle east? Maybe if we can become less dependent on them over time, we can start minding our own business and generating so much hatred against us for inserting ourselves into pissing contests that have been going on for two thousand years. Oil is in the middle east. The sun is everywhere.

So WTF does oil have to do with Electricity Generation? NOTHING.

[SunEagle]

And if we don't start taking meaningful steps to lessen our dependance on foreign oil, we can keep on writing checks for wars we have no buisness fighting. Does anyone really believe that we would have stuck our noses into a border war between Iraq and Kuwait if we didn't have such substantial energy stakes in the region? And how did that work out in terms of long term relations with the people of the middle east? Maybe if we can become less dependent on them over time, we can start minding our own business and generating so much hatred against us for inserting ourselves into pissing contests that have been going on for two thousand years. Oil is in the middle east. The sun is everywhere.

Actually the US now exports oil so we are not as dependent on it as you think. And the sun is not out at night or during stormy weather.

I understand your desire for the US to become more energy independent. But you can either focus on reducing fossil fuel being burned for electric generation or eliminate fossil fuel driven vehicles. Getting rid of both is a pipe dream.

By the way. Most of the new battery chemistries being considered are based on Lithium which needs to be imported from other countries. What do you think the cost of that stuff will be if we start to use a lot more than we do now?

[Sunking]

By the way. Most of the new battery chemistries being considered are based on Lithium which needs to be imported from other countries. What do you think the cost of that stuff will be if we start to use a lot more than we do now?

Care to guess where Lithium comes from? Not you SE, I know you know.

C'mon take a guess.

China, Russia, Chile, Argetina, and Bolivia.

[inetdog]

Care to guess where Lithium comes from? Not you SE, I know you know.

C'mon take a guess.

China, Russia, Chile, Argetina, and Bolivia.

Uh, I would guess China, Russia, Chile and Bolivia.
The dry lake in Bolivia could increase its production by up to a factor of 10 with sufficient capital input and time, but AFAIK no US companies are currently exploiting it.
It is probably the closest strategic and politically stable source we have. There are some domestic US sources, but they are not economical to operate at current world prices.
(I recall a town in Oregon, I believe, where the town well water was high enough in Lithium to be therapeutic for mental illness.)

[Sunking]

There are some domestic US sources, but they are not economical to operate at current world prices.
(I recall a town in Oregon, I believe, where the town well water was high enough in Lithium to be therapeutic for mental illness.)

Dave that is kind of the point. It comes from the cheapest producer. Just like oil, we have more than what we know to do with here in the USA, however the Employment Prevention Agency going back to the Traitor Carter Admin and now NoBama mak ei tmore expensive than it has to be. Fracturing and discovering nw reserves which we stopped looking 30 years ago has changed that a bit so now we are exporters. Just a coupl eof changes in US Energy Policy could drastically lower the price of Oil and put a hurt on OPEC and thus take away money from terrorist orgs.

You wanna stop Terror and stabilize the Middle East. Cut off the head of the serpent, kill Iran's government. It is that simple, and the majority of the Iranian populations would support it. They are the root source for all the trouble. Pretty much explains Obama's actions of late. Better now than later before they get the nuke and destroy Israel and strike the USA Manhattan Island or DC with one of their subs.

[Ian S]

Cut off the head of the serpent, kill Iran's government. It is that simple, and the majority of the Iranian populations would support it.

Hmm, where have I heard that before?

My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators

- Dick Cheney on Meet The Press, March 16, 2003

[DanKegel]

No tax breaks will be offered. It is a pure SCAM and you drank the Kool-Aide.

Are you saying that a revenue-neutral carbon tax is impossible? British Colombia's had one for years, haven't they?

[Sunking]

Are you saying that a revenue-neutral carbon tax

Oxymoron.

[DanKegel]

Oxymoron.

Not at all. According to https://nicholasinstitute.duke.edu/s...15-04_full.pdf,

Between its inception in 2008 and 2015, the BC carbon tax has
generated C$6.1 billion in revenue, yet corresponding tax cuts have been more than C$7.1 billion.

So it's revenue-neutral to within about 15%. Actually the cuts were a bit bigger than the carbon tax! And if Canadians can do it, Americans can too, don't you think?

[Sunking]

Not at all. According to https://nicholasinstitute.duke.edu/s...15-04_full.pdf,


So it's revenue-neutral to within about 15%. Actually the cuts were a bit bigger than the carbon tax! And if Canadians can do it, Americans can too, don't you think?

You believe anything you want to hear.

[inetdog]

You believe anything you want to hear.

Whereas you believe only the things you want to hear? Very similar in some ways.

[kevcor620]

So WTF does oil have to do with Electricity Generation? NOTHING.

um.. ok.. wow.

[SunEagle]

um.. ok.. wow.

That is correct for the US. Oil is not a fuel used by Utilities to generate electricity.

Now for those Hybrid cars, that is a different story.