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[Sunking]

100% agreed that the planet can take care of itself in the long run. I just would prefer if human civilization could stick around for awhile too.

Well Dave I know your and my beliefs, man has no input on that subject.

PS: Great Rick Perry quote: "There is nothing wrong with the country that a change in administration could not bring about."

Amen brother. Put the right person in, and I might come back.

[inetdog]

Amen brother. Put the right person in, and I might come back.

Dereck, please read the quote again carefully and with full attention to the grammar.

[kevcor620]

Dereck, please read the quote again carefully and with full attention to the grammar.

Rick Perry.....oh my. Bush lite. By the way, "Is our children still learning?"

[Ian S]

Ian

You are talking about extremes which is typical of some fear mongers which IMO you are not.

There is a lot of land between what is being used to grow crops and what lies to the North or South depending on which hemisphere you are in.

I didn't say to MOVE the farming. I said as the temperatures rise lands that were too cold or snow covered to farm become available.

Even with the worse predictions of sea level rise most of that land is not used to grow crops. So what is lost should be easily replaced with new farmlands.

My point was that there is more to successful farming than having the right climate and sufficient land area. The nature of the land itself e.g. the soil is critical. And if the climate changes sufficiently in the existing ideal growing areas, that may lower crop yields far more than can be offset by the northern expansion of farming.

[Ian S]

Dereck, please read the quote again carefully and with full attention to the grammar.

Ha ha, I have to admit it sailed over my head at first reading too!

[SunEagle]

My point was that there is more to successful farming than having the right climate and sufficient land area. The nature of the land itself e.g. the soil is critical. And if the climate changes sufficiently in the existing ideal growing areas, that may lower crop yields far more than can be offset by the northern expansion of farming.

Yes it is a gamble but if the warmer climate provides more areas to farm then why not take advantage of that. Better to start new farms now and get a jump on producing food then just watching existing farmland slowly die waiting on the rain like they did in the Mid-West did back in the 30's.

[Sunking]

watching existing farmland slowly die waiting on the rain like they did in the Mid-West did back in the 30's.

How short memories are. It was warmer and drier climate during the Dust Bowl area. No one wants to talk about it for good reasons. All the top soil blew away. Now that same land today is some of the richest most fertile and productive farm land in the world. Mother Nature destroyed it, and fixed it. Agriculture lands have shifted and migrated around since the beginning of man. Whole civilizations have been wiped out from it.

[Ian S]

Yes it is a gamble but if the warmer climate provides more areas to farm then why not take advantage of that. Better to start new farms now and get a jump on producing food then just watching existing farmland slowly die waiting on the rain like they did in the Mid-West did back in the 30's.

I agree, do whatever we can. But I guess farmers are already doing just that.

[Ian S]

Whole civilizations have been wiped out from it.

Not exactly reassuring.

[DanKegel]

Yes it is a gamble

So, why not hedge our bets, and set up economic incentives to reduce co2 emissions? That way, if adaptation turns out to be harder than we thought, and human-caused climate change turns out to be more real than you thought, we won't be as screwed.

[Mike90250]

Not exactly reassuring.

we aren't here to reassure you. Parents are for that.

When the thermal measurements can be read, and not have scaled "correction factors" applied to them, and with the realization that carbon taxes are a sideways move to slavery, AND that the world HAS been getting warmer since the last ice age, yes Co2 emissions are increasing atmosphere and ocean Co2 levels. Applying some measures with low cost/high benefit makes sense. But the high cost/low benefit measures make no sense at all. And where does the Tax go to? Machines to ameliorate carbon ?

[DanKegel]

And where does the Tax go to?

Tax cuts. It should be revenue-neutral.

[inetdog]

So, why not hedge our bets, and set up economic incentives to reduce co2 emissions? That way, if adaptation turns out to be harder than we thought, and human-caused climate change turns out to be more real than you thought, we won't be as screwed.

A philosopher (whose name I do not remember) stated that it is logical to believe in God.
If God exists, you win.
If God does not exist, you have not lost anything (well, maybe your integrity depending on the religion.)

[Sunking]

Tax cuts. It should be revenue-neutral.

Horse feather. Dan tell you what, if you feel so passionate about it, dig deep in your pockets and get your checkbook out give money to your cause. But keep your damn hands off my stack.

The thing is everyone knows you will not lift a finger or make any sacrifice. For you it just applies to everyone else, but not you.

[DanKegel]

The thing is everyone knows you will not lift a finger or make any sacrifice. For you it just applies to everyone else, but not you.

? I'd pay a revenue-neutral carbon tax, and enjoy the lower sales or income tax rate, just like anyone else. It's hard for me to understand why you think I think a carbon tax wouldn't apply to me, too.