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[Sunking]

Are you saying that a revenue-neutral carbon tax

Oxymoron.

[DanKegel]

No tax breaks will be offered. It is a pure SCAM and you drank the Kool-Aide.

Are you saying that a revenue-neutral carbon tax is impossible? British Colombia's had one for years, haven't they?

[Ian S]

Cut off the head of the serpent, kill Iran's government. It is that simple, and the majority of the Iranian populations would support it.

Hmm, where have I heard that before?

My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators

- Dick Cheney on Meet The Press, March 16, 2003

[Sunking]

There are some domestic US sources, but they are not economical to operate at current world prices.
(I recall a town in Oregon, I believe, where the town well water was high enough in Lithium to be therapeutic for mental illness.)

Dave that is kind of the point. It comes from the cheapest producer. Just like oil, we have more than what we know to do with here in the USA, however the Employment Prevention Agency going back to the Traitor Carter Admin and now NoBama mak ei tmore expensive than it has to be. Fracturing and discovering nw reserves which we stopped looking 30 years ago has changed that a bit so now we are exporters. Just a coupl eof changes in US Energy Policy could drastically lower the price of Oil and put a hurt on OPEC and thus take away money from terrorist orgs.

You wanna stop Terror and stabilize the Middle East. Cut off the head of the serpent, kill Iran's government. It is that simple, and the majority of the Iranian populations would support it. They are the root source for all the trouble. Pretty much explains Obama's actions of late. Better now than later before they get the nuke and destroy Israel and strike the USA Manhattan Island or DC with one of their subs.

[inetdog]

Care to guess where Lithium comes from? Not you SE, I know you know.

C'mon take a guess.

China, Russia, Chile, Argetina, and Bolivia.

Uh, I would guess China, Russia, Chile and Bolivia.
The dry lake in Bolivia could increase its production by up to a factor of 10 with sufficient capital input and time, but AFAIK no US companies are currently exploiting it.
It is probably the closest strategic and politically stable source we have. There are some domestic US sources, but they are not economical to operate at current world prices.
(I recall a town in Oregon, I believe, where the town well water was high enough in Lithium to be therapeutic for mental illness.)

[Sunking]

By the way. Most of the new battery chemistries being considered are based on Lithium which needs to be imported from other countries. What do you think the cost of that stuff will be if we start to use a lot more than we do now?

Care to guess where Lithium comes from? Not you SE, I know you know.

C'mon take a guess.

China, Russia, Chile, Argetina, and Bolivia.

[SunEagle]

And if we don't start taking meaningful steps to lessen our dependance on foreign oil, we can keep on writing checks for wars we have no buisness fighting. Does anyone really believe that we would have stuck our noses into a border war between Iraq and Kuwait if we didn't have such substantial energy stakes in the region? And how did that work out in terms of long term relations with the people of the middle east? Maybe if we can become less dependent on them over time, we can start minding our own business and generating so much hatred against us for inserting ourselves into pissing contests that have been going on for two thousand years. Oil is in the middle east. The sun is everywhere.

Actually the US now exports oil so we are not as dependent on it as you think. And the sun is not out at night or during stormy weather.

I understand your desire for the US to become more energy independent. But you can either focus on reducing fossil fuel being burned for electric generation or eliminate fossil fuel driven vehicles. Getting rid of both is a pipe dream.

By the way. Most of the new battery chemistries being considered are based on Lithium which needs to be imported from other countries. What do you think the cost of that stuff will be if we start to use a lot more than we do now?

[Sunking]

And if we don't start taking meaningful steps to lessen our dependance on foreign oil, we can keep on writing checks for wars we have no buisness fighting. Does anyone really believe that we would have stuck our noses into a border war between Iraq and Kuwait if we didn't have such substantial energy stakes in the region? And how did that work out in terms of long term relations with the people of the middle east? Maybe if we can become less dependent on them over time, we can start minding our own business and generating so much hatred against us for inserting ourselves into pissing contests that have been going on for two thousand years. Oil is in the middle east. The sun is everywhere.

So WTF does oil have to do with Electricity Generation? NOTHING.

[kevcor620]

Start writing checks and give the money away. No tax breaks will be offered. It is a pure SCAM and you drank the Kool-Aide. So make yourself feel better and write checks. The rest of will feel bad keeping our money.

And if we don't start taking meaningful steps to lessen our dependance on foreign oil, we can keep on writing checks for wars we have no buisness fighting. Does anyone really believe that we would have stuck our noses into a border war between Iraq and Kuwait if we didn't have such substantial energy stakes in the region? And how did that work out in terms of long term relations with the people of the middle east? Maybe if we can become less dependent on them over time, we can start minding our own business and generating so much hatred against us for inserting ourselves into pissing contests that have been going on for two thousand years. Oil is in the middle east. The sun is everywhere.

[Sunking]

? I'd pay a revenue-neutral carbon tax, and enjoy the lower sales or income tax rate, just like anyone else. It's hard for me to understand why you think I think a carbon tax wouldn't apply to me, too.

Start writing checks and give the money away. No tax breaks will be offered. It is a pure SCAM and you drank the Kool-Aide. So make yourself feel better and write checks. The rest of will feel bad keeping our money.

[DanKegel]

The thing is everyone knows you will not lift a finger or make any sacrifice. For you it just applies to everyone else, but not you.

? I'd pay a revenue-neutral carbon tax, and enjoy the lower sales or income tax rate, just like anyone else. It's hard for me to understand why you think I think a carbon tax wouldn't apply to me, too.

[Sunking]

Tax cuts. It should be revenue-neutral.

Horse feather. Dan tell you what, if you feel so passionate about it, dig deep in your pockets and get your checkbook out give money to your cause. But keep your damn hands off my stack.

The thing is everyone knows you will not lift a finger or make any sacrifice. For you it just applies to everyone else, but not you.

[inetdog]

So, why not hedge our bets, and set up economic incentives to reduce co2 emissions? That way, if adaptation turns out to be harder than we thought, and human-caused climate change turns out to be more real than you thought, we won't be as screwed.

A philosopher (whose name I do not remember) stated that it is logical to believe in God.
If God exists, you win.
If God does not exist, you have not lost anything (well, maybe your integrity depending on the religion.)

[DanKegel]

And where does the Tax go to?

Tax cuts. It should be revenue-neutral.

[Mike90250]

Not exactly reassuring.

we aren't here to reassure you. Parents are for that.

When the thermal measurements can be read, and not have scaled "correction factors" applied to them, and with the realization that carbon taxes are a sideways move to slavery, AND that the world HAS been getting warmer since the last ice age, yes Co2 emissions are increasing atmosphere and ocean Co2 levels. Applying some measures with low cost/high benefit makes sense. But the high cost/low benefit measures make no sense at all. And where does the Tax go to? Machines to ameliorate carbon ?