LA Times on utility-scale solar storage

[SunEagle]

I just read an article in the renewablesbiz where SunEdison is purchasing 1000 vanadium battery systems from Imergy Power Systems that equals about 100 megawatt hours of storage to be used in rural India.

I wonder what those cost?

http://www.renewablesbiz.com/article/15/03/sunedison-purchases-1000-energy-storage-systems-imergy-bring-electricity-villagers-rural-india?utm_source=2015_03_26&utm_medium=eNL&utm_campaign=RB_DAILY&utm_term=D&utm_content=410609

[SunEagle]

I think a subforum dealing with political rants would be a good filter. Then, I could talk about my real passion in life: The influence Swedish meatballs had on the Bolshevik revolution.

I believe those meatballs caused heartburn.

[J.P.M.]

Already have it called General Topics where anything goes.

I think a subforum dealing with political rants would be a good filter. Then, I could talk about my real passion in life: The influence Swedish meatballs had on the Bolshevik revolution.

[J.P.M.]

JPM with all due respect my issue is the government mandates on public utilities and artificially inflating electric rates. California mandating utilities to build huge battery banks is a good example.

Which issues seem to me to deal more with energy policy - not energy, and so, not to your preference. that is, if I correctly understand your prior statement: "I for one prefer to keep the forum more purely technical."

[Sunking]

Would you be satisfied if the forum relegated all such talk to a subforum called 'Angry Political Rants'?

Already have it called General Topics where anything goes.

[DanKegel]

Would you be satisfied if the forum relegated all such talk to a subforum called 'Angry Political Rants'?

[Sunking]

On the other hand, I'm not sure what electromagnetic radiation streaming from a star - solar energy - has to do with the tawdry slime of human politics.

JPM with all due respect my issue is the government mandates on public utilities and artificially inflating electric rates. California mandating utilities to build huge battery banks is a good example.

[J.P.M.]

I beg to differ, Solar and all forms of energy is 100% pure politics. Obama did not lie about energy. He promised to punish the USA with much higher electric bills. Or did you miss that campaign pledge?

In early 2008, candidate Obama told the San Francisco Chronicle that "under my plan electricity rates would skyrocket"

I believed him, he tried, and is still trying via XO after his democratic controlled congress and senate told him to go pound rocks in 2010.

Opinions vary. Seems we'll need to agree to disagree, at least on a definition or two.

I'd agree that energy policy as promulgated by a government is almost by definition 100% politics - I would expect that - but that's not what I'd call energy in any form, it's just another B.S. form of control.

On the other hand, I'm not sure what electromagnetic radiation streaming from a star - solar energy - has to do with the tawdry slime of human politics.

[J.P.M.]

I for one would prefer to keep the forum more purely technical. While politics is not completely off-topic, angry exchanges of the sort found on talk radio distract from the mission of the site, IMHO.

Apparently there are some things where we do agree.

[DanKegel]

Yeah, at the moment, 5000 cycles seems like a stretch.

New York is also interested in utility scale storage, but the impetus is reliability rather than solar:

http://www.solarindustrymag.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.15148

[DanKegel]

I for one would prefer to keep the forum more purely technical. While politics is not completely off-topic, angry exchanges of the sort found on talk radio distract from the mission of the site, IMHO.

[DanKegel]

In early 2008, candidate Obama told the San Francisco Chronicle that "under my plan electricity rates would skyrocket"

To be exact:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jun/11/mike-pence/pence-claims-obama-said-energy-costs-will-skyrocke/

[J.P.M.]

I have to agree with you. It isn't just one party or one political figure that is the problem. Ever since the "government for the people by the people" changed to "how can I get elected to reap the awards of political life" the public has been led around with promises to make them believe in anyone who can sway their feelings.

Even after making false promises and getting caught some politicians seem to get re-elected back into office. The problem is the people (which also includes me) by letting others who do not look out for me back into power instead of voting for a person who looks out for me into office.

Enough soap box speeches.

Back to the topic of Utility Energy Storage systems and if they will ever become realistic and affordable.

+1, particularly the last sentence.

[Sunking]

Not the place for politics,

I beg to differ, Solar and all forms of energy is 100% pure politics. Obama did not lie about energy. He promised to punish the USA with much higher electric bills. Or did you miss that campaign pledge?

In early 2008, candidate Obama told the San Francisco Chronicle that "under my plan electricity rates would skyrocket"

I believed him, he tried, and is still trying via XO after his democratic controlled congress and senate told him to go pound rocks in 2010.

[SunEagle]

Not the place for politics, but I'd suggest another example of public gullibility was the election of Bush II, or just about any politician of any stripe. Put them all together and, just like since the dawn of politics, the sum of their honesty and truthfulness is about as much worth as a warm bucket of snot. You want to point fingers, go to the source - point it at the public (including me), for tolerating what's killing the U.S., and probably other parts of the world as well.

I have to agree with you. It isn't just one party or one political figure that is the problem. Ever since the "government for the people by the people" changed to "how can I get elected to reap the awards of political life" the public has been led around with promises to make them believe in anyone who can sway their feelings.

Even after making false promises and getting caught some politicians seem to get re-elected back into office. The problem is the people (which also includes me) by letting others who do not look out for me back into power instead of voting for a person who looks out for me into office.

Enough soap box speeches.

Back to the topic of Utility Energy Storage systems and if they will ever become realistic and affordable.