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  • ametrine
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 11

    #1

    American Solar Direct

    I'm currently debating whether to lease or buy a PV system in SoCal and just had a quote from American Solar Direct (ASD) among a few others for leasing since I'm thinking of getting electric cars in the near future.

    My annual usage is currently about 6000 kWh and so I was looking roughly somewhere in the neighborhood of a 3 kW roof mounted system (based on 14 panels) with micro-inverters. The roof is also ideal and a previous quote showed it to be 93% in the sun for the whole day (South West facing @ 210 degrees).

    So here's the question:

    ASD despite knowing my usage have quoted me for a 10 panel system (2.45 kW) and say that they are not allowed by the utility company here (Socal Edison) to offer anything larger like a 3 kW system since I'm not allowed to be "net zero"
    The figures they gave are based on a monthly lease payment of $73.90 plus $20.31 to utility, with a total payment of $94.21 which is only just above my current average bill which is about $85. (So not a bad deal)

    Despite the fact a 3 kW system would cost me more to lease each month for the extra panels, ($115 to lease by my calculations from their 10 panel quote), and a bit more again on top of their initial quote, is there any merit in their statement about not being allowed to be net-zero, and having to have a small proportion going to the utility? It just doesn't sound right to me (other than transmission tax etc)!

    I explained to them that I will be adding electric cars soon, and that we would also like to use our Air Conditioning more (since we use it way less than merits), and that if we are paying $20 already as part of their quote to the utility, that this figure would likely increase further, and I didn't want that!

    I'd rather not lease at all, and would actually quite like to do this as a DIY project instead (I have the skills), just don't know what I'd be letting myself in for in terms of all the permitting etc!
  • devsolar
    Junior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 11

    #2
    I'd call some other Solar companies and get other quotes. The size of the system they are pushing seems rather undersized if you want to offset most or all of your electrical needs, especially if you are going to add an electric vehicle. You need about a 4 kW system to offset most of your current needs.

    ASD is partially correct that if you participate in SCE's NEM program, you are supposed to size the system so that you are offesting all or part of your electrical needs. SCE's website doesn't say what happens if you overproduce for some reason. See http://www.sce.com/customergeneratio...ering-faqs.htm for more info on this. Given the fact that they are now required to compensate customers for excess generation, I'm guess the sizing requirement may no longer be in effect.

    Regarding the cost, if your average bill is $85, and ASD is saying that the lease payment is $75, and your monthly bill would drop to $20, you'd be paying $10 more a month for power. The idea is to lower your overall monthly bill, not increase it.

    Call some other companies for quotes.

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    • SoCalsolar
      Solar Fanatic
      • Jun 2012
      • 331

      #3
      ASD is expensive and their BBB is less than stellar

      ASD is expensive you can do better. Their BBB is less than stellar. They typically scare you with the future cost of electricity and tell you yes you will pay more now but in 2 years you will be saving money and those savings will last for 18 years. If you want some credible installers in SoCal PM me. What they say about SCE not allowing "net zero" is not true. SCE rebates are based on your historical usage so if you build a system larger than your usage you will only get rebated on the portion that covers your current average usage. The leasing model doesn't work well without utilizing all available rebates and tax credits. If your bill is averaging $85 a month solar won't save you money but if you want to be green or get it for the awesome factor you can do better but not by much and not for much longer the SCE rebate is fading and will be reduced soon. I know they told you that and well that is actually true, hard to believe it a sales person mixed in some truth amongst all the lies and misinformation.

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      • Mitchum
        Junior Member
        • Apr 2013
        • 6

        #4
        I tried to PM you, SoCalsolar, but I don't have 10 posts yet. I too am in SoCal (San Diego). I got a quote from American Solar Direct and I'd like to shop other options. Any advice, via PM if easier, would be appreciated.

        BTW, my average electricity bill is $170/month and I was quoted a 4.25 kWh system from ASD. Monthly lease was $136.40 with an reduced electric payment to SDG&E of $32.51. This results in $168.91, which is pretty much break even...

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        • russ
          Solar Fanatic
          • Jul 2009
          • 10360

          #5
          ​ Isn't America Solar Direct one that always ends up in the junk mail?I
          [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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          • Mitchum
            Junior Member
            • Apr 2013
            • 6

            #6
            Originally posted by russ
            ​ Isn't America Solar Direct one that always ends up in the junk mail?I
            I'm not sure that this is helpful at all. Just about every unsolicited e-mail ends up in my junk mail folder, even ones that I want or am expecting. I don't see how the spam folder setting on my e-mail account are relevant to this discussion...

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            • russ
              Solar Fanatic
              • Jul 2009
              • 10360

              #7
              Originally posted by Mitchum
              I'm not sure that this is helpful at all. Just about every unsolicited e-mail ends up in my junk mail folder, even ones that I want or am expecting. I don't see how the spam folder setting on my e-mail account are relevant to this discussion...
              The guys sending out all the unsolicited emails are often like the old siding salesmen - hucksters. Real companies don't do such things.
              [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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              • Mitchum
                Junior Member
                • Apr 2013
                • 6

                #8
                Originally posted by russ
                The guys sending out all the unsolicited emails are often like the old siding salesmen - hucksters. Real companies don't do such things.
                OK. I did not hear about them through e-mail spam. The guy that spoke to us about ASD was someone that I met several years ago. So it was unsolicited but not from some e-mail spammer.

                With that said, your posts are still not very helpful... at least to me. SoCalsolar offered to provide some credible sources in SoCal. That's what I'm looking for, not a lesson on spam and hucksters. While you and he agree that ASD is less than stellar, his approach slings a little mud and then offers some help/advice. Your approach is just to sling mud.

                If you and I go back and forth a few more rounds, I'll meet my 10 post minimum so that I can PM him directly.

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                • SoCalsolar
                  Solar Fanatic
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 331

                  #9
                  Michum

                  I PM'ed you respond accordingly.

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