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  • Sunking
    Solar Fanatic
    • Feb 2010
    • 23301

    #16
    Originally posted by cashaber
    you might also want to be concernd that 48 volt systems can get rather expensive.
    Again you are dead wrong and should not be giving advice because you have no idea what you are talking about.
    MSEE, PE

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    • cashaber
      Member
      • Aug 2012
      • 34

      #17
      Originally posted by Sunking
      Wrong, wrong, wrong, dead wrong. You made a huge flaw. Your AC unit uses a lot more than 3300 watts and a 5000 watt battery inverter would shut down immediately when you AC unit starts up.
      opps I did it again I'm sorry so sorry.. my AC unit actually uses 3600 watts.. (This does not include my indoor blower) thanks for correcting my calculations which was +/- 10% error. ohh btw we only use 7kwh of elec/day w/ no AC... not 15 as stated above, I think I was thinking about something else.
      anyways unless you know MY voltage & amps used by my AC YOU Sir are way outta line.


      PS my AC is not a HUGE 22 seer TRANE hell it doesn't even say a seer rating on it. but it is a 4 ton AC
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      anyways this is really just an example

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      • Sunking
        Solar Fanatic
        • Feb 2010
        • 23301

        #18
        Originally posted by cashaber
        opps I did it again I'm sorry so sorry.. my AC unit actually uses 3600 watts..
        How have you calculated this number?
        MSEE, PE

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        • cashaber
          Member
          • Aug 2012
          • 34

          #19
          Originally posted by Sunking
          How have you calculated this number?
          yes as stated above

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          • russ
            Solar Fanatic
            • Jul 2009
            • 10360

            #20
            Originally posted by cashaber
            yes as stated above
            Sunking asked how you came up with the number?
            [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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            • cashaber
              Member
              • Aug 2012
              • 34

              #21
              Originally posted by cashaber
              anyways unless you know MY voltage & amps used by my AC YOU Sir are way outta line.
              Volts x amps = watts

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              • russ
                Solar Fanatic
                • Jul 2009
                • 10360

                #22
                Originally posted by cashaber
                Volts x amps = watts
                Did you measure the current to the AC unit with an amp clamp or did you just grab numbers from memory?
                [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                • cashaber
                  Member
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 34

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Sunking
                  Again you are dead wrong and should not be giving advice because you have no idea what you are talking about.
                  omg get a life

                  found on Ebay

                  AIMS 1500 WATT PURE SINE WAVE 12 VOLT POWER INVERTER $357
                  AIMS 1500 Watt Pure Sine Wave Power Inverter 48 Volt $419
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                  Magnum MS4024PAE 120/240Vac 24Vdc 4000 watt Off-Grid inverter Pure Sine wave $1,750.00
                  SMA Sunny Island SI4248U Off Grid Inverter 4000 Watt 48 Volt DC $3,495.00
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                  * items above are for reference only

                  these are just a couple examples of inverter costs. more power = more $$$ but voltage speaking your items
                  that run say on 12V at 100 watts may run at 80 or 90 watts at 24 or 48 volts.

                  if you cant afford the higher voltage 12 volt systems work just fine. Also FYI the big trucks on the road today 18 wheelers run of 12 volt systems just like your 4 cylinder car
                  they just have 4 batteries instead of 1. 12 volt systems are not a toy when it can shock you just as hard as a 48 volt system.

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                  • cashaber
                    Member
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 34

                    #24
                    Originally posted by ripjohnnyc
                    Also just to clarify. With my panels, I can get a 80 amp outback controller, wire 12V batteries to 24V, and use a 12v inverter? thanks
                    If you wire 12 volt batteries to 24 volts you will need a 24 volt inverter

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                    • cashaber
                      Member
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 34

                      #25
                      Originally posted by russ
                      Did you measure the current to the AC unit with an amp clamp or did you just grab numbers from memory?
                      its listed on that sticker on the side of the unit


                      Amps 19
                      Volts 197 - 240

                      again amps x volts = watts of course thes can vary a bit depending on the actual volts pulled in actual running numbers they are a good ball park figure to estimate actual useage
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                      Again if you are hooked up to the grid and you have a 3500 watt inverter and your AC engages your inverter will not shut down the extra wattage will be pulled from the grid.
                      Remember though if the grid power goes off line so must your own grid must be turned or switched off automatically as to not feed the grid. you also do not need batteries to run a grid tie in system

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                      • Sunking
                        Solar Fanatic
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 23301

                        #26
                        Originally posted by cashaber
                        our AC went out and the last 24 hrs we used about 15kwh of elec, normally use about 30 - 43/day. that means our AC unit runs at about 3300 watts. .
                        I will ask you again. How did you determine your AC unit uses 3300 or 3600 watts?
                        MSEE, PE

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                        • Sunking
                          Solar Fanatic
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 23301

                          #27
                          Originally posted by cashaber
                          opps I did it again I'm sorry so sorry.. my AC unit actually uses 3600 watts.. (This does not include my indoor blower) thanks for correcting my calculations which was +/- 10% error. ohh btw we only use 7kwh of elec/day w/ no AC... not 15 as stated above, I think I was thinking about something else.
                          anyways unless you know MY voltage & amps used by my AC YOU Sir are way outta line.


                          PS my AC is not a HUGE 22 seer TRANE hell it doesn't even say a seer rating on it. but it is a 4 ton AC
                          ================================================== =======================

                          anyways this is really just an example
                          No I am not out of line because I know you do not know what you are talking about because you told me how much your AC unit uses and you do not even understand you did it. A 4-ton AC unit with an SEER of 22 uses 48,000 BTU's / 22 SEER = 2181 watts, or we can just say about 2.2 Kw.
                          MSEE, PE

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                          • cashaber
                            Member
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 34

                            #28
                            Originally posted by sunking
                            no i am not out of line because i know you do not know what you are talking about because you told me how much your ac unit uses and you do not even understand you did it. A 4-ton ac unit with an seer of 22 uses 48,000 btu's / 22 seer = 2181 watts, or we can just say about 2.2 kw.
                            cause the sticker on the side says so!!!!!!!!!!
                            And so does my elec bill
                            Last edited by russ; 08-27-2012, 11:07 AM. Reason: removed statement

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                            • Sunking
                              Solar Fanatic
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 23301

                              #29
                              Originally posted by cashaber
                              cause the sticker on the side says so!!!!!!!!!!
                              Sounds like you have facts and numbers mixed up. A 4 Ton AC unit with an SEER of 22 uses 2200 watts, not 3300 or 3600. If it is indeed a 4 Ton unit and uses 3300 watts then the SEER has to be 14.5, or 13.6 if it uses 3600 watts. This is why you are getting into so much trouble here, your numbers do not add up. Once again it is a simple math formula Watts = BTU's / SEER. A 4-ton AC unit has a cooling capacity of 48,000 BTU's so 48,000 BTU's / 22 SEER = 2181 watts, round that up to 2200 watts or 2.2 Kw. If that AC unit ran 24 hours in 1 day it would consume 2200 watts x 24 hours = 52.8 Kwh. Hopefully it does not run 24 hours per day, more like 8 to 15 hours which puts your use around 17.6 Kwh to 33 Kwh range in a day.

                              Your electric bill does not tell you how much power (wattage) your AC unit uses. It tells you how much energy (watt hours) your house used in a specified amount of time.
                              MSEE, PE

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                              • cashaber
                                Member
                                • Aug 2012
                                • 34

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Sunking
                                Sounds like you have facts and numbers mixed up. A 4 Ton AC unit with an SEER of 22 uses 2200 watts, not 3300 or 3600. If it is indeed a 4 Ton unit and uses 3300 watts then the SEER has to be 14.5, or 13.6 if it uses 3600 watts. This is why you are getting into so much trouble here, your numbers do not add up. Once again it is a simple math formula Watts = BTU's / SEER. A 4-ton AC unit has a cooling capacity of 48,000 BTU's so 48,000 BTU's / 22 SEER = 2181 watts, round that up to 2200 watts or 2.2 Kw. If that AC unit ran 24 hours in 1 day it would consume 2200 watts x 24 hours = 52.8 Kwh. Hopefully it does not run 24 hours per day, more like 8 to 15 hours which puts your use around 17.6 Kwh to 33 Kwh range in a day.

                                Your electric bill does not tell you how much power (wattage) your AC unit uses. It tells you how much energy (watt hours) your house used in a specified amount of time.
                                To bad I dont have a 22 Seer TRANE

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