CA state mandated rate restructure July 2024

[Reid1boys]

So our tax information will be sent to SDGE?

How are homes with multiple renters going to be figured?

That is a good question, and as of today, it has not been answered. The state tasked the big 3 to make proposals and the state legislature is to vote on a final proposal , I believe, in summer of 2024 and the plan is supposed to take affect in 2025. The plan is for TOTAL household income. So my wife and I could not go and put the bill in my kids name and think we could get around it. I wouldnt anyway because if I did put the bill in someone elses name we would lose our NEM 1.0 status.

The electric companies have already stated they do not want to be tasked with verifying income. My guess is the state will share tax info?? BUT, how the hell will they be able to know who is or isnt living in a single house. We no longer claim our kids... we have them file separately and we keep their return as they make too much money to be able to claim them... yes, we do keep their return(up to what the deduction would have been) because we can no longer benefit by claiming them due to our income, so thats how we do it. But, since we dont claim them, how can they know who lives in my house?

This is wrought with problems and it hasnt even begun yet.
You know darn well bills will be put in kids names... and so I assume the electric bill police will be saying... no, no, no... we see your parents income tax info and it shows they live at this address. Do we want to live in a state like this????? This is nuts IMO.

[RichardCullip]

The electric companies have already stated they do not want to be tasked with verifying income. My guess is the state will share tax info?? BUT, how the hell will they be able to know who is or isnt living in a single house.

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One way is to sum up income reported on form 540 by address and cross-reference that with billing address on the POCO bill

[J.P.M.]

That's a very vague generalization. I thought you were referring to some survey or research specific to the grid. At least for California I doubt the generalization is valid regarding public utilities.

More or less valid or not, I'd bet a lot more CA ratepayers would not mind more gov. intervention in the form of utility ownership if they were more aware of the disparity in rates between the I.O.U,s and the municipal utilities.

[J.P.M.]

That is a good question, and as of today, it has not been answered. The state tasked the big 3 to make proposals and the state legislature is to vote on a final proposal , I believe, in summer of 2024 and the plan is supposed to take affect in 2025. The plan is for TOTAL household income. So my wife and I could not go and put the bill in my kids name and think we could get around it. I wouldnt anyway because if I did put the bill in someone elses name we would lose our NEM 1.0 status.

The electric companies have already stated they do not want to be tasked with verifying income. My guess is the state will share tax info?? BUT, how the hell will they be able to know who is or isnt living in a single house. We no longer claim our kids... we have them file separately and we keep their return as they make too much money to be able to claim them... yes, we do keep their return(up to what the deduction would have been) because we can no longer benefit by claiming them due to our income, so thats how we do it. But, since we dont claim them, how can they know who lives in my house?

This is wrought with problems and it hasnt even begun yet.
You know darn well bills will be put in kids names... and so I assume the electric bill police will be saying... no, no, no... we see your parents income tax info and it shows they live at this address. Do we want to live in a state like this????? This is nuts IMO.

As I wrote, all this jaw jacking we're doing may be a premature.
There will be a lot of iterating and dealing before any of this B.S. makes it into law - but that doesn't mean it'll be going away or be good for residential PV owners once the dust settles.

[Reid1boys]

One way is to sum up income reported on form 540 by address and cross-reference that with billing address on the POCO bill

Agree... but now you will need a whole new level of govt workers to do this. And now we will have people appeal it and say no no... they dont live here. They just need an address since the are actually homeless....lol

[Reid1boys]

As I wrote, all this jaw jacking we're doing may be a premature.
There will be a lot of iterating and dealing before any of this B.S. makes it into law - but that doesn't mean it'll be going away or be good for residential PV owners once the dust settles.

No matter what the final outcome is, it will never end well for PV owners. I am only paying them 30 per month to be connected to the grid. That is simply not enough money coming from me to them and they will never stop coming up with new plans to try and get money out of my pocket for nothing. As battery costs continue to drop I suspect more and more people will try to be 100% self sufficient and go off grid. I think that days is in the near future... especially if they try to take 85 bucks a month out of my pocket to the tune of 1k per year. Batteries would be paid for in short order using that same money for a battery vs subsidizing low income rate payers.

And yes, we are all speculating..... but it is a FORUM for discussion, no?

[J.P.M.]

And yes, we are all speculating..... but it is a FORUM for discussion, no?

Well, that's part of it, but until we've something more substantial to discuss all this stuff that's no more than speculation about the future course of utility rate reform is not unlike a B.S. session in a college dorm or a squad bay with guys speculating about their future encounters with the opposite sex (only without the humor but all of the uncertainly).

[Ampster]

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And yes, we are all speculating..... but it is a FORUM for discussion, no?

It would seem that way? We are just content providers bringing leads to the sponsor of this forum. If the Mods have a problem with the subject matter of this discussion they are free to shut it down. Similarly others who chose not to speculate can chose not to participate or complain. Either way . I see similar discussions on other forums as we did with the long process of the Sucessor Tariff (NEM 3.0)

[J.P.M.]

It would seem that way? We are just content providers bringing leads to the sponsor of this forum. If the Mods have a problem with the subject matter of this discussion they are free to shut it down. Similarly others who chose not to speculate can chose not to participate or complain. Either way . I see similar discussions on other forums as we did with the long process of the Sucessor Tariff (NEM 3.0)

And, as long as the text conveyed/exchanged doesn't contain anything inaccurate, dangerous or grossly inaccurate and not corrected, like Reid seems to be implying, where's the harm besides a few stray electrons and maybe some wasted time.

[jflorey2]

. . .that's no more than speculation about the future course of utility rate reform is not unlike a B.S. session in a college dorm or a squad bay with guys speculating about their future encounters with the opposite sex (only without the humor but all of the uncertainly).

And that's why we are here!

[J.P.M.]

And that's why we are here!

To speculate about future encounters with the opposite sex ?
Why didn't somebody tell me that 14,638 posts ago ?

[Reid1boys]

And, as long as the text conveyed/exchanged doesn't contain anything inaccurate, dangerous or grossly inaccurate and not corrected, like Reid seems to be implying, where's the harm besides a few stary electrons and maybe some wasted time.

What is it I am implying?? You lost me?

[Ampster]

And, as long as the text conveyed/exchanged doesn't contain anything inaccurate, .............

In that context, to be more acurate about this issue, we are not waiting for this to become law as implied in post #49 and in an earlier post by Reid1boys. As the article described, this is a rate issue that will be decided administrativly by the CPUC sometime in 2024. The law driving this issue has already been passed by the legislator and signed by the governor.

[Old_Man]

This thread reminds me of how great my brother will have it when he disengages from the grid. Massive solar on the house he's buying, but he doesn't want to be associated with PG&E so he wants to take the whole house off grid.

[J.P.M.]

This thread reminds me of how great my brother will have it when he disengages from the grid. Massive solar on the house he's buying, but he doesn't want to be associated with PG&E so he wants to take the whole house off grid.

Hope he's got deep pockets and a lot of time to babysit the system.