Where's the rest of the cost?

[motorcyclemikie]

Hey yeah, I'm sick, but now I have the se7600h inverter coming in the mail and also the p800 Optimizer, and I'm going to hook them up, this is just a small distraction in me learning and getting my system together that's all

[motorcyclemikie]

If you are looking for ready designs I would suggest you look at some of the kits on the sites. They leave off BOS/BOD/BOM but most of them come with inverter and PV modules and the better ones come with rails. You often have to add flash feet (not cheap but you don't want a leak) wires, conduit, etc. Some of the sites will do a permit pack design for a fee (or free if you order the equipment from them).
You then will have a design you can get a permit from and expect to actually work.
If you don't have either shadows or a requirement for rapid shutdown, then don't get SolarEdge. (yeah I said it).
If you do then stick to things that the SolarEdge design tool spits out.

https://www.solaredge.com/us/product...ols/designer#/

Butch that is exactly how I got on this form I was wondering where is the cost on these big dollar systems, and now I'm curious I want to build one for myself I will look around and I know other people have been in exactly my position I'm just trying to find my way through.

I have a copy coming of the solar for dummies, I live in the sticks so I ordered most of my things online

[ButchDeal]

Butch that is exactly what I am talking about I know all that I have done that and I would be speaking from experience not just what I heard from somebody's brother that's cousin did it.after listening to the people at SunEdge I think their credibility is very low they don't know answers that they should that are basic

basically can anybody point me to a link on here that is a system around five or six KW that I could just copy that's all I want if not I'm going to ask questions until you throw me off here and only the moderator to do that

As I mentioned several of the people posting on this thread have built their own from parts.
Some of them have designed and had built for other people many many more.
I have done both.

I also do some motorcycle wrenching and drive a 95ci FLHCI (started out as 88ci)

If you are looking for ready designs I would suggest you look at some of the kits on the sites. They leave off BOS/BOD/BOM but most of them come with inverter and PV modules and the better ones come with rails. You often have to add flash feet (not cheap but you don't want a leak) wires, conduit, etc. Some of the sites will do a permit pack design for a fee (or free if you order the equipment from them).
You then will have a design you can get a permit from and expect to actually work.
If you don't have either shadows or a requirement for rapid shutdown, then don't get SolarEdge. (yeah I said it).
If you do then stick to things that the SolarEdge design tool spits out.

https://www.solaredge.com/us/products/installer-tools/designer#/

[ButchDeal]

You know and also I have friends they will say oh I just built a $30,000 solar system, and all they did was pick up the phone and make the call to some big organization that plugged it in and made some fat change on it, me when I say I built the solar system I mean I built it I mean I installed it I designed it, I know it inside and out and I can explain it. that's just me be patient I'll come up to speed

Several people on this forum built (designed, purchased, permitted, and installed) their own systems.
Some of the people ALSO design or have designed systems professionally. (they are the people that others called in your above example).

Get a copy of Solar for Dummies and read it, and do not try to use equipment in ways that the manufacture did no intend.

[motorcyclemikie]

Except larger bikes from Harley have a seperate transmission. Smaller Sportster sized are one assembly.
That said if you were to bolt almost any other bikes transmission onto a Harley it likely would rip it to pieces as the engine has huge torque.

which still fits well with the electrical analogy ....

Butch that is exactly what I am talking about I know all that I have done that and I would be speaking from experience not just what I heard from somebody's brother that's cousin did it.after listening to the people at SunEdge I think their credibility is very low they don't know answers that they should that are basic

basically can anybody point me to a link on here that is a system around five or six KW that I could just copy that's all I want if not I'm going to ask questions until you throw me off here and only the moderator to do that

[ButchDeal]

I just ordered a new P800 for $45 off the internet. Someone on here told me I couldn't get them that cheaply so i'll find that out also.
I really don't expect the P800 to communicate (sucessfully) with their inverter as I have been told numerous times, it just doesn't compute to me, I need to find that out for myself.

just going to put two details out there. one optimizer is obviously below the string length and you can not mix the P800 with any other optimizer other than the P850

might help you a little bit https://www.solaredge.com/sites/defa...imizers_na.pdf

[ButchDeal]

Motorcycle engines and transmissions are in one assembly. So while not impossible to use a Yamaha transmission with a Harley engine it is not even close to being practical or cost effective. There would be better ways to achieve the desired results, which is what I think you are trying to say about this electrical project

Except larger bikes from Harley have a separate transmission. Smaller Sportster sized are one assembly.

That said if you were to bolt almost any other bikes transmission onto a Harley it likely would rip it to pieces as the engine has huge torque.


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which still fits well with the electrical analogy ....

[motorcyclemikie]

We get a lot of people who come on here and take that approach. The posts usually go like this:

"I saw a GREAT deal on panels and I spent all my money on them - 20KW! I have about $100 left, what else do I need?" They are then disheartened to hear that the panels won't even be the biggest cost for the project. They often go away very unhappy.

Stop buying stuff RIGHT NOW. Don't get a P800. Return the SE7600 even if it means paying restocking fees. Stop trying to "see if things will work." Get a copy of Solar for Dummies and read it. If you really want to buy stuff, buy a very small independent system (a panel, charge controller, small battery, small inverter) and experiment with that. You'll destroy the battery quickly - but learn a lot in the process.

You will likely end up with a smaller system than you are thinking about, using a string inverter.

Thanks I know how it works, For many years I was a hammer on the motorcycle forums and we would "squash" newbies doing exactly what I'm doing. I just wanted to find somebody that built a clever system the size that I need and he would document it with full information on everything and why he built it that way and the total cost. I'm basically a lazy person I was just looking for something easy and I could gain some knowledge in the process that's all.


You know and also I have friends they will say oh I just built a $30,000 solar system, and all they did was pick up the phone and make the call to some big organization that plugged it in and made some fat change on it, me when I say I built the solar system I mean I built it I mean I installed it I designed it, I know it inside and out and I can explain it. I know it inside and out and I can explain it. that's just me be patient I'll come up to speed

[motorcyclemikie]

You really need to hit the brakes. If you connect the p800 optimizers they will be considered used and will become worthless to you as you won't be able to return them. Why are you insisting on trying to force a square peg into a round hole? Do you really think your wild ideas are going to work even after you have been told over and over by all these very knowledgable people that they won't? What you are doing is wasting everybody's time here by just figuring that if is has the same brand name that it must be interchangeable.

This will be my last comment here so I'll say good luck with your experiment. I sure hope nobody gets hurt. if you are going to keep plugging stuff into other stuff to see what happens keep in mind, High voltage electricity can be deadly.

ET TOO BRUTE That's what forums are all about, sorry to upset everybody, if I did that it's probably something that was needed! I'll make your life even worse, I just ordered a new P800 for $45 off the internet. Someone on here told me I couldn't get them that cheaply so i'll find that out also.
I really don't expect the P800 to communicate (sucessfully) with their inverter as I have been told numerous times, it just doesn't compute to me, I need to find that out for myself.

I appreciate the warning about HV, if you read about me in the obits you'll know I didn't listen to that advice either


Sorry about the inconvenience but remember this is a forum!

[littleharbor]

QUOTE:
." Get a copy of Solar for Dummies and read it.



I think the OP has a problem with reading comprehension. Not so sure the book will help.

[J.P.M.]

We get a lot of people who come on here and take that approach. The posts usually go like this:

"I saw a GREAT deal on panels and I spent all my money on them - 20KW! I have about $100 left, what else do I need?" They are then disheartened to hear that the panels won't even be the biggest cost for the project. They often go away very unhappy.

Stop buying stuff RIGHT NOW. Don't get a P800. Return the SE7600 even if it means paying restocking fees. Stop trying to "see if things will work." Get a copy of Solar for Dummies and read it. If you really want to buy stuff, buy a very small independent system (a panel, charge controller, small battery, small inverter) and experiment with that. You'll destroy the battery quickly - but learn a lot in the process.

You will likely end up with a smaller system than you are thinking about, using a string inverter.

OP: If you have an ounce of brains, read and internalize what Jeff is writing and what everyone here who's knowledgeable is screaming at you to do.

STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND GET INFORMED. !

[jflorey2]

Yeah you guys are right, more than right in fact, I just got hung up on the sunEdge Equipment and I did jump up an order the SE7600h it was a good price at the time so I have that coming to me that'll be here in a few daysI am so curious about weather this inverter can find and talk to a P800 Optimizer which everybody says it is not able to do but nobody has done it I will do it myself and find out I'll let you know if it works out, in the mean time i'll look for a SMA system design and others. I don't know where to look but I'll figure it out -- I can't quit, i've got !k$ invested in this system already.

We get a lot of people who come on here and take that approach. The posts usually go like this:

"I saw a GREAT deal on panels and I spent all my money on them - 20KW! I have about $100 left, what else do I need?" They are then disheartened to hear that the panels won't even be the biggest cost for the project. They often go away very unhappy.

Stop buying stuff RIGHT NOW. Don't get a P800. Return the SE7600 even if it means paying restocking fees. Stop trying to "see if things will work." Get a copy of Solar for Dummies and read it. If you really want to buy stuff, buy a very small independent system (a panel, charge controller, small battery, small inverter) and experiment with that. You'll destroy the battery quickly - but learn a lot in the process.

You will likely end up with a smaller system than you are thinking about, using a string inverter.

[littleharbor]

You really need to hit the brakes. If you connect the p800 optimizers they will be considered used and will become worthless to you as you won't be able to return them. Why are you insisting on trying to force a square peg into a round hole? Do you really think your wild ideas are going to work even after you have been told over and over by all these very knowledgable people that they won't? What you are doing is wasting everybody's time here by just figuring that if is has the same brand name that it must be interchangeable.

This will be my last comment here so I'll say good luck with your experiment. I sure hope nobody gets hurt. if you are going to keep plugging stuff into other stuff to see what happens keep in mind, High voltage electricity can be deadly.

[motorcyclemikie]

Now you've got it!

As BD said above, if cost is your big issue, get a big SMA inverter and forget about optimizers. Given your statements along the lines of "I have to be effective with my approach" "use my common sense to hang onto as much [money] as possible" it's probably a better approach overall. And unless you have odd array orientations or partial shading, you won't see much benefit from an optimizer or microinverter based system.

Yeah you guys are right, more than right in fact, I just got hung up on the sunEdge Equipment and I did jump up an order the SE7600h it was a good price at the time so I have that coming to me that'll be here in a few daysI am so curious about weather this inverter can find and talk to a P800 Optimizer which everybody says it is not able to do but nobody has done it I will do it myself and find out I'll let you know if it works out, in the mean time i'll look for a SMA system design and others. I don't know where to look but I'll figure it out -- I can't quit, i've got !k$ invested in this system already.

Thanks for all the advice gentlemen

[motorcyclemikie]

Many good points taken here,and I did see where the P800 was compatable with the multiphase inverters so that kills this plan, they didn;t really say it couldn't be used with the lower voltage (40vdc) optimisers. I don't have evidence that it won't communicate in a single wave enviromment and nobody has had anything first hand that blew up, anyway i'll modify this and rethink my plan

I thank you guys for your knowledge