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  • pclausen
    Solar Fanatic
    • Oct 2016
    • 153

    #121
    That's a great idea Bruce! So you would use a 2x4 or something to hold the panel against the upper stops until you got the fasteners in place below each panel? But then when you slide the next row of panels up against the top row, won't the fasteners be too tight to allow the lower row panels to slide in all the way? At least I think that would be an issue with the Northridge fasteners.

    Ubiquiti is going add add a new country code to their system this afternoon. Once done, I can simply go my my site in their mobile app, select the new country code "UL-CVEC" and presto, all my inverters will pick up the config file for this new 'Country" and allows for a higher voltage threshold. I had 19 panels drop out today around noon time. Btw, the issue was NOT related to my compressor.

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    • bcroe
      Solar Fanatic
      • Jan 2012
      • 5209

      #122
      Originally posted by pclausen
      That's a great idea Bruce! So you would use a 2x4 or something to hold the panel against the upper stops until you got the fasteners in place below each panel? But then when you slide the next row of panels up against the top row, won't the fasteners be too tight to allow the lower row panels to slide in all the way? At least I think that would be an issue with the Northridge fasteners.

      Ubiquiti is going add add a new country code to their system this afternoon. Once done, I can simply go my my site in their mobile app, select the new country code "UL-CVEC" and presto, all my inverters will pick up the config file for this new 'Country" and allows for a higher voltage threshold. I had 19 panels drop out today around noon time. Btw, the issue was NOT related to my compressor.
      Very glad the voltage problem is nearly solved; otherwise it sort of defeats the whole project. Here there were 2 V monitors
      to be concerned with, line-to-line voltage, and line to neutral voltage. I don't have your rail system, but sliding panels up from
      the bottom ought to be simpler than handing them over the top from a mobile platform. Probably slower, but a lot less man
      hours. Rows of panels here aren't adjacent, there is a big gap for snow to drop through. Just got half a foot of heavy stuff;
      will report on that after some pictures are processed. Bruce Roe

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      • DanS26
        Solar Fanatic
        • Dec 2011
        • 987

        #123
        Originally posted by bcroe

        I'm going to suggest a procedure, of sliding the top row up from the bottom first, then do lower rows the same way.
        Bruce (who does almost everything alone) Roe
        "Better, faster, simpler, safer".....experience is a very good teacher.

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        • DanS26
          Solar Fanatic
          • Dec 2011
          • 987

          #124
          Originally posted by pclausen
          That's a great idea Bruce! So you would use a 2x4 or something to hold the panel against the upper stops until you got the fasteners in place below each panel? But then when you slide the next row of panels up against the top row, won't the fasteners be too tight to allow the lower row panels to slide in all the way? At least I think that would be an issue with the Northridge fasteners.

          Ubiquiti is going add add a new country code to their system this afternoon. Once done, I can simply go my my site in their mobile app, select the new country code "UL-CVEC" and presto, all my inverters will pick up the config file for this new 'Country" and allows for a higher voltage threshold. I had 19 panels drop out today around noon time. Btw, the issue was NOT related to my compressor.
          I wish you the best......if the voltage rise is outside of the hardware parameters, software adjustments will not work.

          My wife calls it pessimism.....but all of us DIY'ers call it realism.

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          • pclausen
            Solar Fanatic
            • Oct 2016
            • 153

            #125
            The hardware specs state the Nominal Voltage/Range is 240V (211-264V). So I suspect that they plan to raise the upper limit from the current UL imposed 253.5V, to something a lot closer to the hardware limit of 264V. That's a 10.5V window. Upping it to say 260V is probably more than sufficient, but if they feel going all the way to 264V in my custom profile is safe, that would give me even more headroom. I'll ask them what upper voltage they are defining in my profile.

            By 3pm yesterday, all 80 panels were back online again.



            I do wonder why there is such a variance in the power produced between the panels as none have any shading that time of day. Maybe the very thin cloud layer that was present can produce that effect? The above screen cap is from the solar gateway on the roof, so the RSSI to the ground mount inverters is very weak. Fortunately there's another solar gateway attached to the ground based array, which shows the opposite. So both gateways shows all inverters on the "cloud whitelist". I wish there was a way to have each gateway only show the arrays that I assign to it. This would make pushing firmware updates much easier. As it is, I have to prep a list of MACs for each gateway, and then push out updates to only those. Fortunately this is not something I have to do very often.

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            • bcroe
              Solar Fanatic
              • Jan 2012
              • 5209

              #126
              Originally posted by pclausen
              The hardware specs state the Nominal Voltage/Range is 240V (211-264V). So I suspect that they plan to raise the upper limit from the current UL imposed 253.5V, to something a lot closer to the hardware limit of 264V. That's a 10.5V window. Upping it to say 260V is probably more than sufficient, but if they feel going all the way to 264V in my custom profile is safe, that would give me even more headroom. I'll ask them what upper voltage they are defining in my profile.

              By 3pm yesterday, all 80 panels were back online again.

              I do wonder why there is such a variance in the power produced between the panels as none have any shading that time
              of day. Maybe the very thin cloud layer that was present can produce that effect?
              Inverters here are 277V capable, yours might be too giving a lot of headroom.

              Cloud edges can cause some intensity effects, but should average out over time. Its hard to make any realistic evaluations
              under clouds, they are so variable. I suggest waiting for peak time on a clear day to do comparisons. If you don't trust the
              readouts, go out with a clamp on ammeter and compare panel outputs. A DC clamp on will show direct panel performance;
              an AC on micro outputs (if the individual wires are split) will give overall. I'd look for 5% match over a short time, 10% is marginal.
              Bruce Roe

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              • pclausen
                Solar Fanatic
                • Oct 2016
                • 153

                #127
                I'll check on the next clear day around mid-day which might be tomorrow. Today it has been raining all day, so the panels will be nice and clean.

                So they are setting the new upper trip limit to 272.3V and the reconnect limit to 262V. I have a feeling that will solve my issue for good.

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                • gbynum
                  Member
                  • Dec 2014
                  • 65

                  #128
                  Your panels look like a mix ... they are either about 23V or about 30V. Is there a connection choic or "tap" type thing?

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                  • pclausen
                    Solar Fanatic
                    • Oct 2016
                    • 153

                    #129
                    I think that was caused by the thin cloud layer. This afternoon it was pretty clear and here's what the voltages looked like around 2pm:



                    ​So pretty close. You can tell from the above shot which panels are on the roof at a 18.4 degree angle, and which ones are on the ground at a 31.5 degree angle. Here's a shot from the "cloud" showing the panels from about the same time. (note that the browser cuts off the last few panels as there are 24 in the "D" array). So Arrays A, B and C are the roof mounted ones, and D is the ground mount.



                    ​So the roof ones are all between 147 and 152W. The ground mount ones are between 182 and 187, except D13 and D19, but those are both on the far left edge and I think they caught a little but of shade.

                    ​Cleaned up the cat5e run into the shop:



                    And on the array side:



                    ​I drilled a hole in a 1/2" cab just large enough for the cat5 cable to slide through. I'll silicone the cap (and the entrance through the shop wall).

                    ​Made 63 kWh today with a somewhat cloudy morning. Not too bad for December I think!
                    Last edited by pclausen; 12-07-2016, 06:27 PM.

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