Rates plans with APS.

[sunnyguy]

"Company shall credit the customer the Excess Generation kWh in subsequent billing periods. "

So I guess there is no true-up with APS. That's an inferior type of net metering. How many other utilities do it that (carry-forward) way vs the SDGE, PGE (true-up) way?

[azdave]

I'm confused then why call it a true-up 12 month billing cycle? Is there an example true-up bill posted anywhere?

At my SRP true-up in April, they zero any banked energy by crediting me wholesale rates and putting it towards my account balance (I can get a check for cash if I request that).

I then enter the summer season with nothing in the bank except for a little excess May production when we already are using A/C some days. Not the best deal when I bank over 2000 kWh in the cool spring and would love to have the full value to use over the summer but that's the way the deal works with SRP. I got grandfathered under the old rules so I'm not complaining compared to what they offer now. Right now I'm just under 1000 kWh banked through winter so I expect a similar situation this year.

I use small electric space heaters in some rooms over the winter as I'd rather have the gas furnace stay off than to get a small wholesale kWh credit in April.

Last year I got a $61 credit which paid my $21 base connection fees for a few months.

[Ian S]

I'm confused then why call it a true-up 12 month billing cycle? Is there an example true-up bill posted anywhere?

Like these: http://www.myrav4ev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1763

Here's mine from December. Look on the lower right where it shows -206 for "Net on-peak electricity, in kWh." That's my banked excess on-peak energy generated since the previous December. Then look on the lower left where it displays the "Net electricity credit" of $6.06. That latter number results from paying me $0.0294 for each of those 206 excess Kwh stored in my bank. That zeroes out my bank until the next year. We get a bill every month. That bill is settled every month except for any excess generation which is carried over to the next month. My banked excess generation (peak and off peak in separate banks) builds up over the winter and spring, then gets depleted over the summer. It starts to build again during the fall until the December bill where anything still in the bank gets paid off and the banked amount is reset to zero. They won't even let you pay down your off peak charges with on peak excess.

[sunnyguy]

Here's mine from December.

Yeah I get it now but I had always thought net metering was one net calculation at the end of the year like the bills I linked. But I see some utilities are tricky limiting it to rollover with a cutoff date. I'd be interested to see how many other utilities do it that way. I will have to pay attention in Nov/Dec to try and zero out the surplus. Having jan-april surplus to offset summer usage is better than nothing.

[sunnyguy]

Here's mine from December.

Was thinking about this regarding the "pick a due date" feature. So according to your bill, your billing cycle starts DEC 10 so you get to put 21 days of DEC generation toward summer usage. If you changed it so your billing period ended on the 1st, would you get those 9 extra days too?

[Ian S]

Was thinking about this regarding the "pick a due date" feature. So according to your bill, your billing cycle starts DEC 10 so you get to put 21 days of DEC generation toward summer usage. If you changed it so your billing period ended on the 1st, would you get those 9 extra days too?

Yes I would think so. Hadn't really thought about it before.