New minimum $10/month "Delivery Charge" for SCE customers.

[silversaver]

Base on my SCE billing statement and Of the Seven's statement, I think that minimum charges might apply if your statement has "-" balance or credit.

But, it did not charge full $10 from Of the Seven's statement...... I'll keep my eye on my next statement and see if something has gotten update.


Here's how SCE explain how min charges apply:

https://www.sce.com/wps/wcm/myconnect/4e6b6a55-f0af-4b12-8f5f-4452314c997d/Minimum_Bill_Charge_4.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&attachment=false&id=1447808072785

[silversaver]

Confirmed.

There's no min charges when you are net user with charges on your account. My Jan 2016 billing period from Dec 14th to Jan 13th were $73.29 but I only pay $1.21

[sensij]

Correct. The min charge is not the same as a fixed charge. That has never been in doubt.

[silversaver]

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I received my November bill today and the TOU + $10 min charge has me confused. I've read through FFE's explanation and it makes sense, sorta. Wanted to get clarification for my situation.

I installed solar May 2015 and switched from tiered to TOU-A in August. I have a BEV and a PHEV that I only charge during super off-peak and not always to full as I use free charging at other sites.
This is the first month I have to pay. It's only $2.06 but it's also the month with my greatest "tracked energy" credit generation. I understand the tracked charges/credits are for the year and reset to zero.

Could I "use" more electricity to lower my yearly credit and help eliminate my monthly minimum charge?

sensij,

not really. OftheSeven has pay higher than just fixed charges base on his bill.

Mine:
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[OftheSeven]

I didn't get much sun for December and charged my cars as needed (during super off peak times). Ended up a net user and will only pay $1.86 BUT my annual credits been used up :/

My numbers for December...

[silversaver]

I didn't get much sun for December and charged my cars as needed (during super off peak times). Ended up a net user and will only pay $1.86 BUT my annual credits been used up :/

My numbers for December...

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I'm in your area and consumed lot more than you... using about 955kWh from SCE. My solar only generated 586kWh, so my total consumption during the period is 1541 kWh with 2 EVs. Your bill shows no min charges when your bill is higher than min charges. thanks

[FFE]

I didn't get much sun for December and charged my cars as needed (during super off peak times). Ended up a net user and will only pay $1.86 BUT my annual credits been used up :/

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Unfortunately part of the way to minimize how much you pay SCE requires you to monitor it. I also used up my credits last mont that I built up the previous 40 days. But, I am planning on making a bunch of credit in spring. My bill was less than $1.20. Based on what you posted, general trends in solar production, normal residential power usage and the fact that you are in month 9 of your relevant period, I would speculate that charging you car at night would still save you money. Keep in mind you get what you pay for and my opinion is free. You might also look into research on methods to minimize battery degridation in BEVs.

[J.P.M.]

Unfortunately part of the way to minimize how much you pay SCE requires you to monitor it.

But it's so much easier and mentally comforting to blame the POCO as a substitute for any lack of awareness or action by the homeowner.

[silversaver]

OftheSeven is in his 10th month of relevant period with only $5 balance on his account. He should and will build up credit in next 3 month and still with negative balance towards end of relevant period.

You will never figure with this kind of usage still with -$500 credit under TOU-D-A

PS. I just found out looking at the attachment graph. Dec 2012 - without solar, Dec 2013 - with solar, Dec 2014 - with 1 EV and Dec 2015 - with 2 EVs. Demand of electricity always increase....
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[silversaver]

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I'm very confuse abour SCE's min $10 charge. My last Bill were -$34.62 (credit), but I only have to pay $1.15 ????? image_7243.jpg

[sensij]

It is becoming clear that SCE handles minimum charges differently than the other IOU's. It is based only on delivery charges... your delivery charges exceeded $10 this month, so no minimum charge was assessed. Changes to the minimum bill calculation (but not the amount) are coming for PG&E, and maybe SDG&E, so this could continue to be a moving target.

[FFE]

If you look at the second image under Delivery charges and sum up the following: On peak -$5.78, Off peak -$58.25 and Super off peak $77.41 you get $13.38 which is above the $10 minimum. Well done! So you only owe the Basic charge and tax of $1.15.

You get a $34.62 credit toward your Net since it is the sum of the Delivery charges and Generation charges. (Mostly because of the Baseline credit) Congratulations!

Next month you will likely owe some or all of the Minimum charge assuming your PV system generates more power than last month and your household consumes the same amount of power.

[OftheSeven]

My bill this month...still figuring out how this works to lessen monthly minimum.
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[FFE]

My bill this month...still figuring out how this works to lessen monthly minimum.

Not much you could have done unless you could have charged your cars about 100kWh at home during the night instead of at work. You would have increased consumption during Super off peak by 100 kWh and would have paid a little over $1.00 in minimum charges and still had -$40 in energy charges since the increased baseline credit (assuming you don't live in region 8 or 15 and go over your max baseline credit) would have offset the increased Super off peak delivery and generation charges. Also your Placentia UUT tax would have decreased by $0.28 and your state tax would have increased by $0.03.

Another way you could have avoided the minimum charge (without changing total consumed) would have been to shift 220 kWh from Super off peak to Off peak. However, your Energy charge total would have been -$7.27 instead of -$42.25.

I charged up my electric cars during the day for the same billing cycle as yours in an effort to avoid the charge and I still have to pay $5 in minimum charges. The thing that I couldn't control is the fact that I had 28 of 30 days of good or great generation. I know I could have purposely wasted electricity to avoid the charge and still had the same Net annual credit, but $5 out of pocket to reduce CO2 emissions and reduce the water required to generate the electricity is a small price to pay.

[silversaver]

It is becoming clear that SCE handles minimum charges differently than the other IOU's. It is based only on delivery charges... your DELIVERY CHARGES exceeded $10 this month, so no minimum charge was assessed. Changes to the minimum bill calculation (but not the amount) are coming for PG&E, and maybe SDG&E, so this could continue to be a moving target.

Thank you!!