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  • Pennguy
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2010
    • 26

    #1

    My method of design for DIY solar panel

    1. What I would use to sandwich in the cells would be 1/4 inch low iron 27"x32" tempered glass for the front view of the panel and 1/4 inch 27"x32" of plexi glass to what will be the back view of the panel and do not use anything less then 1/4 inch if you desire to have your panels last for a long time. 27"x32" is perfect for 36-3"x6. Next will be important: leave an inch and a half of space all around your glass panels. So make sure you arrange your cells to fit inside these measurments. Why an inch and a half? Good question, we'll get back to this in just a sec but just keep it in mind for now.

    2. Make a hole 2 1/4 inches from the bottom of the Plexi-glass. Meaning, the "back panel" Try not to misunderstand this part now, ok! The hole will not be 2 1/4 inches NO! What I want you to do is measure from the bottom of the panel 2 1/4 inches upward to drill your hole there, get it? But make it look nice by making the hole towards the middle of the panel unless good looks in your work doesn't matter to you. Now, make sure that the hole is just big enough for the rubber molding to clamp into the plexi glasss. DO NOT HAVE GAPS BETWEEN THE OUTSIDE OF THE MOLDING AND THE PLEXI-GLASS PANEL. Remember to put plenty of silicone inside the rubber molding "after the whole assembly of the panels are completed", do not worry about that now. The type of rubber molding I would use would be like one of an electric drill which is long and the wires could swivel all around. This molding is used to protect the wires from being dammaged and also for insulation purposes. So remember, the reason I stated have no gaps between the glass an the rubber molding it is so that the external elements created by seasonal changes do not affect your panel.

    3. Next, place the cells as they should on the "glass" for the front view. Which means, you'll have the negative side of the cells looking up. Now, the back panel will NOT be placed yet, it will be placed later, so leave it aside for now.

    4. Now I will give you the answer to the number 1 question. The reason I told you to leave an inch and a half around the whole panel is, so that you can place an "inch" of weather proof molding. This molding has the sticky applications on both sides which will stick to the front panel as well as the back panel. Place this molding tightly ON THE GLASS by the sides of the cells [without touching the cells] all around the cell configuration. So this means you will need to cut 4 strips to fit it squarely around the cell configuration. MAKE SURE THEY ARE CUT NEETLY WITH SISSORS AND REMEMBER, LEAVE NO GAPS!

    IMPORTANT NOTE: When you buy the weather proof molding make sure it's thick enough to pass the cells hight so that when you lay your back panel down it will not damage the cells. The thickness of the weather proof molding will also act as a shock absorbing mechanism for the panel.

    Now as I was saying, when sticking your mold to the glass if the bus wire configuration sticks out to where it interferes with your wether molding & the 1 1/2 inches you need to stay behind just tuck your bus wire in a bit.

    5. Next, pour a small quantity of clear epoxy resin [SYLGARD-184] which you can find in EBAY. Pour the epoxy in and around all the cells to fasten the cells down to the glass so that it could keep it from moving around inside the panel and damaging it. Don't worry if you get the epoxy on your bus wire application as this epoxy is to cover all your cells. You should keep any diodes out side of the panel though, just incase you will need to replace it later. Remember, use enough quantity of the epoxy for holding down your cells to the glass If you need more to cover your entire work, do so! NOTE: Pour enough of the sylgard-184 to be seen just above the cells but keep it just below the wetherproof molding. The reason you are also needing this weather-proof molding all around the cells is to keep the epoxy from running all over the place to. After this is completed you must then let it dry before continuing to the next step.

    6. Next, run the wires thru the back panel 1st and thru the rubber molding which will be clamped into the plexi-glass then place the back panel down on to the weather-proof molding. Make sure your back panel is flush with front panel and no wires are getting kinked. Now that you have completed this step you should still have a half inch of gap all around your panel. This is good, so continue to step number seven.

    7. In this half inch gap get your clear silicone [I preffer the clear sylgard-184] but to explain to you so that it will not run all over the place, it would just take to long but anyways silicone is good also. Fill the gap with silicone till it's flush with both glass. Do this all around the panel and then you're done!

    8. Now you can build your self an aluminum frame for your work and hang it on the wall LOL!!! But seriously, as you see we did this work without the frame work first the frame is last in the way I sceam up things. First you take a picture than you go looking for the frame, that's how I look at it anyways.

    Now that you are completed did you remember to put silicone inside the rubber molding that your wires run thru? Do this now, let it dry and you have just made yourself a waterproof panel. Nothing should ever get inside!

    PS. You can purchase these frames with the front glass panel on ebay for the low price of $33.00. If you want to apply my method of building a solar panel you will also need the plexi-glass for the back side of the solar panel. G00d luck!

    Picture of the frame they have for sale on ebay : http://cgi.ebay.com/Solar-Panel-Fram...item2a0539d70b
    I had a change of heart about going solar because I had an eye opening debate with someone and he won! LOL!!

    I wouldn't leave it altogether though, only use is it for charging up battery operated tools or to light up a shed or if I am going camping. I think solar panels are cool to have but not to run an entire house, it's not worth the money!
  • crxvfr
    Solar Fanatic
    • Jun 2010
    • 173

    #2
    Do (can) the cells move around when you pour the epoxy in?

    Does the resin completely saturate the cells? ...like wick underneath them? ...or would one expect to have a little air trapped here or there?

    I have been curious about DIY. I think I could do an ok job on the housing, but I have not yet found out what's entailed in hooking a bunch of individual cells together. It seems like it would be a pretty delicate thing.

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    • Pennguy
      Junior Member
      • Jun 2010
      • 26

      #3
      When you poor the sylgard 184 pour it gently thru out the partitions between each cell untill you saturaite your entire cell application and it has submerged your cells under the epoxy, here is an illustration of a person pouring the first application of the epoxy . Now, Since the epoxy is clear it will not be important if there are small gaps under the cells all you want is to have your cells held in place and protected from moisture, in this case the sylgard epoxy is a rubbery substance when totally cured, and when you apply it thoroughly and raise it above the cells it will protect the cells from moisture and insects etc etc..

      By the way if you are worried there will be gaps below the cells don't worry about them moving around and breaking, they won't. If you were perhaps using Plexi-glass for your front panel then I would worry because the flexibility of the plexi will break the cells if moved around or tapped on.

      The delicasy of not breaking cells and making your very first panel is right but like any other job, practise makes perfect! If you have steady hands and a soft touch you'll do fine. You might break 2-4 cells or maybe less untill you get the hang of it and develope speed.
      I had a change of heart about going solar because I had an eye opening debate with someone and he won! LOL!!

      I wouldn't leave it altogether though, only use is it for charging up battery operated tools or to light up a shed or if I am going camping. I think solar panels are cool to have but not to run an entire house, it's not worth the money!

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      • russ
        Solar Fanatic
        • Jul 2009
        • 10360

        #4
        @ Pennguy - you might change - I had a change of heart about going solar because I had an eye opening debate with someone and he won! LOL!!
        to:

        'I had a change of heart about going solar because I had an eye opening debate with someone and we all won'.

        We all live and learn - hopefully getting smarter as we go along!
        [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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        • Uechi Kid
          Junior Member
          • Jun 2010
          • 19

          #5
          When you talk about weather proof molding, are you referring to foam weather stripping that that comes in rolls at the hardware store?
          "Carpe Diem"

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          • Pennguy
            Junior Member
            • Jun 2010
            • 26

            #6
            Yes I am
            I had a change of heart about going solar because I had an eye opening debate with someone and he won! LOL!!

            I wouldn't leave it altogether though, only use is it for charging up battery operated tools or to light up a shed or if I am going camping. I think solar panels are cool to have but not to run an entire house, it's not worth the money!

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            • MarineLiner
              Solar Skipper
              • May 2009
              • 656

              #7
              Originally posted by Pennguy
              Yes I am

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              • Uechi Kid
                Junior Member
                • Jun 2010
                • 19

                #8
                I have a couple of questions. How many jars of Sylgard did you use? In the you tube video the guy only uses one jar and it didn't look like the cells were submerged. Don't you want all the tab wires and bus wires completely covered?
                And if I'm not mistaken the back, between the plexi glass and the back of the cells isn't totally sealed. The small hole that the wires come through is still open? Can condensation build up inside there and cause problems?
                "Carpe Diem"

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                • Pennguy
                  Junior Member
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 26

                  #9
                  Yeah, I'm glad you caught that! He says 1 jar, but as you can see it didn't seem to cover all his cells. I was going to leave a comment on his youtube but never did. I've had to use a jar and a half to get things like I want it too. Since sylgard's expensive I tend to get my other materials such as glass from junk yards eventhough the glas with the frame only costs 33 bucks on ebay I save the 33 bucks by taking the glass from junked ford explorers. I sometimes use the very big glass towards the back end and the 2 side glasses which are also towards the back of the car right and left. That's my confidential insiders secret to you by the way. LOL!!

                  Concerning your question regarding the hole at the bottom of the plexi-glass, it should not be of any problem. If you re-read my article it would explain that when the sylgard dries the next step would be to run your wires thru the hole you made in the plexi-glass and thru the rubber molding that will go clamped into the plexi-glass. The hole must be cut so that the rubber molding will fit snug NOT loose. If you cut the hole to big it will have a gap. WE DON'T WANT GAPS!

                  So try and picture the panel now, that rubber molding I speak of is so that the wires would not rub against the plexi so that it would not get dammage from friction this rubber molding also acts as a gasket protecting it from the elements and when you add the final application of silicone in the inside of the rubber molding it will have that extra insulation required to protect the panel.

                  PS. Just incase I didn't mention it before, before you cut the hole you should have the rubber molding already so that you can use the adecuate drill bit for the hole you are going to cut in order to fit the rubber molding into it. Remember that a SNUG fit is required!

                  Also note: that the manner in which the person on the video is making his panel isn't like mines. You can easily build your panel as his just the same using his technique and it'll be quite well. The reason I demonstrate my technique is to give you another form of procedure in building a "sandwiched" panel and making it weather proof. It is your choice how you want to build your panel and as you progress in your learning of DIY, you might just come up with a design of your very own as well.

                  Good Luck!
                  I had a change of heart about going solar because I had an eye opening debate with someone and he won! LOL!!

                  I wouldn't leave it altogether though, only use is it for charging up battery operated tools or to light up a shed or if I am going camping. I think solar panels are cool to have but not to run an entire house, it's not worth the money!

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                  • crxvfr
                    Solar Fanatic
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 173

                    #10
                    Now see,

                    This, to me, is what makes this really tempting......

                    1kw of 6x6 grade a (?) cells for $425.00, 20.00 shipping.

                    I know, i know, ...ebay, meh.

                    I have been on a shopping binge. (...not the same thing as a buying binge) and I would feel remiss if I didn't mention the deals I see.

                    Here is a Morningstar Tristar for $169.68. I haven't been doing this long enough to know if that is a older model but seems like a decent price compared to similar Tristars I saw.

                    Anyways, make a jig and crank them out. Build to suit myself.

                    ....even if they weren't that efficient or long lasting, ...neither am I. hehe. I'm getting too old to ride a motorcycle and I used to dump $$$ into that hobby. This one can pay me back. BTW, I'm not 90. ...well, maybe my body is but I'm not even 50. I am cleverly disabled. I get around and do things so you would never know that grampa can outrun me. Ankylosing Spondylitis. Fancy word for arthritis except my vertebra and ribcage fuse together. Joy!

                    ...why do all of my posts have to be so weird?

                    In any case, I might be back on this one. (ha! no pun intended)

                    That kit comes with all the stuff except the enclosure, which was what started this thread. Hmmm. That feels a little suspicious or coincidental.

                    I'm won't be buying anytiime soon. I have other stuff to buy right now.
                    Will hopefully have a 385 watt 24 volt system going next week.

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                    • solite
                      Junior Member
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 11

                      #11
                      Do you plan on writing a detailed ebook on making these? This really looks like a fun and challenging project, and I would just love to try it out with some help!
                      [URL="http://www.solar-power-information-site.com/"]Solar Power Info[/URL]

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                      • Pennguy
                        Junior Member
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 26

                        #12
                        I'd like to yes but I don't actually know when yet. I am also in the process of making a video feed demonstrating the building of the panel step by step. Meanwhile, if you're thinking of putting my method of panel building together, perhaps I can help you in your work by answering your questions here if you require it.
                        I had a change of heart about going solar because I had an eye opening debate with someone and he won! LOL!!

                        I wouldn't leave it altogether though, only use is it for charging up battery operated tools or to light up a shed or if I am going camping. I think solar panels are cool to have but not to run an entire house, it's not worth the money!

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                        • Mike90250
                          Moderator
                          • May 2009
                          • 16020

                          #13
                          I think solar panels are cool to have but not to run an entire house, it's not worth the money!
                          It all depends on what your alternatives are. If the power lines are $70,000 from your house, for $40K, you can build up a decent system.
                          Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                          || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                          || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                          solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                          gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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                          • Pennguy
                            Junior Member
                            • Jun 2010
                            • 26

                            #14
                            Yeah mike but forget that, I haven't got 5,000 dolars and perhaps will ever recieve 40 grand to get a system going like that so I guess I can forget that idea! Building an off grid is for the rich and clearly I am not rich. lol!!
                            I had a change of heart about going solar because I had an eye opening debate with someone and he won! LOL!!

                            I wouldn't leave it altogether though, only use is it for charging up battery operated tools or to light up a shed or if I am going camping. I think solar panels are cool to have but not to run an entire house, it's not worth the money!

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                            • Mike90250
                              Moderator
                              • May 2009
                              • 16020

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Pennguy
                              .. I haven't got 5,000 dolars and perhaps will ever recieve 40 grand to get a system going like that so I guess I can forget that idea! Building an off grid is for the rich and clearly I am not rich. lol!!

                              I've not received $40K myself, had to earn it all over 25 years. I have a modest stereo, 12" TV, and a 11 year old car (previous one was 16 years old). Having the mental foresight to "save for a rainy day" is critical to obtaining the things you really need, not just wants. If you think the power system is expensive, wait till you go to build a house. That's going to be several times the power system cost.
                              Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                              || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                              || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                              solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                              gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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