Calculating price per watt

[bronxnua]

First off that $402.29 bill was for two months 9/18/13 to 11/18/13.

The $267.91 was calculated at $0.15/kWh for 1786 kWh of "Elec Use".

The $134.38 was calculated at $0.075/kWh for 1786 kWh for "Elec Demand".

If you total those you paid about $0.225/kWh for 1786 kWh or about $402.

Back in 5/13 they were charging you a single rate of $0.275/kWh where you used 800 kWh and got billed for $219.66.

It looks like now they are now charging you about $0.27/kWh only they split it into two areas. Usage and Demand.

I am not saying that isn't a high electric rate. I am saying that all POCO's have different ways to charge people which can be simple or confusing.

My usage is 8.9 Cents fixed all other charges are from Con Edison.

[SunEagle]

I will still have to pay a basic service charge with Con Edison that adds about $40 bucks extra for the electric basic and the gas I use with all the charges.
So my bill will be about $250 monthly. Still a good thing I don't have a crazy fluctuating bill.

+1. Sounds like a good plan.

[bronxnua]

Wow $0.45/kWh. Ouch.

Yeah my lower cost is what has stopped me from going solar even though I want to. It is just not financially viable today and may not be before I sell my current home.

At least I have a plan to have solar on my retirement home (whenever that happens)

That is why I am doing solar, I want a bill that will not change for 20 years. $207 lease fixed while Con Edison drives the costs higher and higher I won't have to worry much.

my net metering should cover the cost of the gas that I use for cooking. I will use about 700-800 Average and produce over 12K KWH during the year averages over 1000 per month.

So that is a plus for me. Once I upgrade my boiler to gas it will help pay for some of the heating costs in gas.

I will still have to pay a basic service charge with Con Edison that adds about $40 bucks extra for the electric basic and the gas I use with all the charges.
So my bill will be about $250 monthly. Still a good thing I don't have a crazy fluctuating bill.

[bronxnua]

Wow $0.45/kWh. Ouch.

Yeah my lower cost is what has stopped me from going solar even though I want to. It is just not financially viable today and may not be before I sell my current home.

At least I have a plan to have solar on my retirement home (whenever that happens)

That is why I am doing solar, I want a bill that will not change for 20 years. $207 lease fixed while Con Edison drives the costs higher and higher I won't have to worry much.

my net metering should cover the cost of the gas that I use for cooking. I will use about 700-800 Average and produce over 12K KWH during the year averages over 1000 per month.

So that is a plus for me. Once I upgrade my boiler to gas it will help pay for some of the heating costs in gas.

[SunEagle]

If I paid all .15 per KWH total I would never go Solar. I would wait for Fuel Cell, that is coming in the future a few years out.

My total is about .45 per KWH when all is added.

Wow $0.45/kWh. Ouch.

Yeah my lower cost is what has stopped me from going solar even though I want to. It is just not financially viable today and may not be before I sell my current home.

At least I have a plan to have solar on my retirement home (whenever that happens)

[bronxnua]

And I pay $0.07/kWh for my first 1000kWh and $0.0836/kWh for anything above that 1000kWh per month.

I also pay a fuel charge between $0.04 and $0.05/kWh, plus $8.76/mth meter charge, plus $7.48/mth surge suppression equipment charge, plus ~ $28/mth taxes.

It comes down to about $0.12/kWh for the electric usage & fuel, but about $0.15/kWh for my total bill with an average monthly bill (for the last couple of years) around $210/month.

So what am I really paying for electricity usage? $0.075/kWh, $0.12/kWh or $0.15/kWh. It is still low compared to others.

If I paid all .15 per KWH total I would never go Solar. I would wait for Fuel Cell, that is coming in the future a few years out.

My total is about .45 per KWH when all is added.

[SunEagle]

I pay .089 per KWH to the esco, con Edison charges for them... and the rest are delivery , taxes and all else.

And I pay $0.07/kWh for my first 1000kWh and $0.0836/kWh for anything above that 1000kWh per month.

I also pay a fuel charge between $0.04 and $0.05/kWh, plus $8.76/mth meter charge, plus $7.48/mth surge suppression equipment charge, plus ~ $28/mth taxes.

It comes down to about $0.12/kWh for the electric usage & fuel, but about $0.15/kWh for my total bill with an average monthly bill (for the last couple of years) around $210/month.

So what am I really paying for electricity usage? $0.075/kWh, $0.12/kWh or $0.15/kWh. It is still low compared to others.

[J.P.M.]

I pay .089 per KWH to the esco, con Edison charges for them... and the rest are delivery , taxes and all else.

You and/or your POCO and call it what you want, but your wallet doesn't care.

[bronxnua]

I think you are misunderstanding how they are charging you for electricity. If you go back and add the two Electric costs (use & demand) and divide by the total kWh for each billing period you are being charged between $0.22 and $0.27/kWh. How they list those charges on the bill can be confusing but in the end you are not really paying anywhere close to $0.089/kWh

Now with your new solar pv system you should be able to reduce your electric bill but I am not sure how much. If you are paying $207/mth for the solar pv system you will probably still be charged for a connection fee every month even if you don't purchase electricity from Con-Ed.

Let us know how it works out for you.

I pay .089 per KWH to the esco, con Edison charges for them... and the rest are delivery , taxes and all else.

[SunEagle]

I was on two month billing, when I switched to esco it became monthly. at first my esco was 6.9 Cents per kwh , then they stopped, new rate was 8.9kwh fixed for 3 years.


I know that if I use $100 I get about a $350 bill. That is crazy. My new 35 Panel 327w Sun Power system will produce over 1000kwh per month.

I am no longer mining. so that is going to be solid $207 fixed for 20 years.

No fluctuation, when I switch to gas for my heat, that will be offset by the net metering on my bill.

I think you are misunderstanding how they are charging you for electricity. If you go back and add the two Electric costs (use & demand) and divide by the total kWh for each billing period you are being charged between $0.22 and $0.27/kWh. How they list those charges on the bill can be confusing but in the end you are not really paying anywhere close to $0.089/kWh

Now with your new solar pv system you should be able to reduce your electric bill but I am not sure how much. If you are paying $207/mth for the solar pv system you will probably still be charged for a connection fee every month even if you don't purchase electricity from Con-Ed.

Let us know how it works out for you.

[bronxnua]

First off that $402.29 bill was for two months 9/18/13 to 11/18/13.

The $267.91 was calculated at $0.15/kWh for 1786 kWh of "Elec Use".

The $134.38 was calculated at $0.075/kWh for 1786 kWh for "Elec Demand".

If you total those you paid about $0.225/kWh for 1786 kWh or about $402.

Back in 5/13 they were charging you a single rate of $0.275/kWh where you used 800 kWh and got billed for $219.66.

It looks like now they are now charging you about $0.27/kWh only they split it into two areas. Usage and Demand.

I am not saying that isn't a high electric rate. I am saying that all POCO's have different ways to charge people which can be simple or confusing.

I was on two month billing, when I switched to esco it became monthly. at first my esco was 6.9 Cents per kwh , then they stopped, new rate was 8.9kwh fixed for 3 years.


I know that if I use $100 I get about a $350 bill. That is crazy. My new 35 Panel 327w Sun Power system will produce over 1000kwh per month.

I am no longer mining. so that is going to be solid $207 fixed for 20 years.

No fluctuation, when I switch to gas for my heat, that will be offset by the net metering on my bill.

[SunEagle]

1,786 0.00 KWH $267.91 $134.38 -- -- -- $402.29 No you see I used $134.48 and Con Edison charged me $267.91 for using $134.48 of electricity.

First off that $402.29 bill was for two months 9/18/13 to 11/18/13.

The $267.91 was calculated at $0.15/kWh for 1786 kWh of "Elec Use".

The $134.38 was calculated at $0.075/kWh for 1786 kWh for "Elec Demand".

If you total those you paid about $0.225/kWh for 1786 kWh or about $402.

Back in 5/13 they were charging you a single rate of $0.275/kWh where you used 800 kWh and got billed for $219.66.

It looks like now they are now charging you about $0.27/kWh only they split it into two areas. Usage and Demand.

I am not saying that isn't a high electric rate. I am saying that all POCO's have different ways to charge people which can be simple or confusing.

[bronxnua]

Looks like the usage rate fluctuates from about $0.15 to about $0.18/kWh and demand rate is $0.093/kWh.

So in total about $0.24 to $0.27/kWh which is higher then most other areas.

1,786 0.00 KWH $267.91 $134.38 -- -- -- $402.29 No you see I used $134.48 and Con Edison charged me $267.91 for using $134.48 of electricity.

[SunEagle]

From Date

To Date

Elec Use (Kwh)

Elec Demand (Kw)

Con Ed Electric Bill Amt

ESCO Electric Supply Amt

Gas Use (Therm)

Con Ed Gas Bill Amt

ESCO Gas Supply Amt

Total Bill Amt

03/23/2015 05/20/2015 704 0.00 $127.41 $65.48 -- -- -- $192.89
04/21/2015 05/20/2015 -- -- -- -- 3 $20.34 $2.6 $22.94
03/23/2015 04/21/2015 -- -- -- -- 4 $21.45 $3.47 $24.92
01/21/2015 03/23/2015 969 0.00 $162.8 $90.12 -- -- -- $252.92
02/20/2015 03/23/2015 -- -- -- -- 7 $26.16 $6.08 $32.24
01/21/2015 02/20/2015 -- -- -- -- 5 $23.24 $4.34 $27.58
12/19/2014 01/21/2015 358 0.00 $67.02 $33.29 6 $26.14 $5.2 $131.65
11/18/2014 12/19/2014 792 0.00 $122.07 $73.66 5 $23.84 $4.34 $223.91
10/20/2014 11/18/2014 124 0.00 $33.72 $11.54 4 $21.57 $3.47 $70.3
09/18/2014 10/20/2014 957 0.00 $149.49 $89 4 $23.4 $3.47 $265.36
07/21/2014 09/18/2014 4,003 0.00 $605.91 $372.3 8 $43.91 $6.95 $1,029.07
06/19/2014 07/21/2014 2,148 0.00 $333.16 $199.77 5 $24.65 $4.34 $561.92
05/20/2014 06/19/2014 821 0.00 $136.32 $76.36 3 $21.03 $2.6 $236.31
03/21/2014 05/20/2014 3,713 0.00 $950.04 -- -- -- -- $950.04
04/21/2014 05/20/2014 -- -- -- -- 5 $23.01 $4.34 $27.35
03/21/2014 04/21/2014 -- -- -- -- 4 $22.92 $3.47 $26.39
02/20/2014 03/21/2014 -- -- -- -- 5 $22.9 $4.02 $26.92
02/20/2014 03/21/2014 1,231 0.00 $382.9 -- -- -- -- $382.9
01/21/2014 02/20/2014 -- -- -- -- 5 $23.44 $2.82 $26.26
01/21/2014 02/20/2014 1,273 0.00 $148.48 $218.84 -- -- -- $367.32
12/19/2013 01/21/2014 1,124 0.00 $166.76 $84.57 7 $27.56 $3.95 $282.84
11/18/2013 12/19/2013 512 0.00 $87.77 $38.52 4 $22.74 $2.26 $151.29
09/18/2013 11/18/2013 1,786 0.00 $267.91 $134.38 -- -- -- $402.29
10/18/2013 11/18/2013 -- -- -- -- 5 $23.94 $2.82 $26.76
09/18/2013 10/18/2013 -- -- -- -- 4 $22.15 $2.26 $24.41
08/19/2013 09/18/2013 601 0.00 $98.69 $45.22 3 $20.96 $1.69 $166.56
07/19/2013 08/19/2013 826 0.00 $127.1 $62.15 3 $21.65 $1.69 $212.59
06/19/2013 07/19/2013 -- -- -- -- 3 $20.98 $1.69 $22.67
06/19/2013 07/19/2013 799 0.00 $127.11 $60.12 -- -- -- $187.23
05/20/2013 06/19/2013 800 0.00 $219.66 -- -- -- -- $219.66

Looks like the usage rate fluctuates from about $0.15 to about $0.18/kWh and demand rate is $0.093/kWh.

So in total about $0.24 to $0.27/kWh which is higher then most other areas.

[bronxnua]

Would you be willing to scan in a copy of the bill with your personal info removed? I'd love to see how the math works on that. Sounds like there must be some kind of demand pricing involved, but who knows.

From Date

To Date

Elec Use (Kwh)

Elec Demand (Kw)

Con Ed Electric Bill Amt

ESCO Electric Supply Amt

Gas Use (Therm)

Con Ed Gas Bill Amt

ESCO Gas Supply Amt

Total Bill Amt

03/23/2015 05/20/2015 704 0.00 $127.41 $65.48 -- -- -- $192.89
04/21/2015 05/20/2015 -- -- -- -- 3 $20.34 $2.6 $22.94
03/23/2015 04/21/2015 -- -- -- -- 4 $21.45 $3.47 $24.92
01/21/2015 03/23/2015 969 0.00 $162.8 $90.12 -- -- -- $252.92
02/20/2015 03/23/2015 -- -- -- -- 7 $26.16 $6.08 $32.24
01/21/2015 02/20/2015 -- -- -- -- 5 $23.24 $4.34 $27.58
12/19/2014 01/21/2015 358 0.00 $67.02 $33.29 6 $26.14 $5.2 $131.65
11/18/2014 12/19/2014 792 0.00 $122.07 $73.66 5 $23.84 $4.34 $223.91
10/20/2014 11/18/2014 124 0.00 $33.72 $11.54 4 $21.57 $3.47 $70.3
09/18/2014 10/20/2014 957 0.00 $149.49 $89 4 $23.4 $3.47 $265.36
07/21/2014 09/18/2014 4,003 0.00 $605.91 $372.3 8 $43.91 $6.95 $1,029.07
06/19/2014 07/21/2014 2,148 0.00 $333.16 $199.77 5 $24.65 $4.34 $561.92
05/20/2014 06/19/2014 821 0.00 $136.32 $76.36 3 $21.03 $2.6 $236.31
03/21/2014 05/20/2014 3,713 0.00 $950.04 -- -- -- -- $950.04
04/21/2014 05/20/2014 -- -- -- -- 5 $23.01 $4.34 $27.35
03/21/2014 04/21/2014 -- -- -- -- 4 $22.92 $3.47 $26.39
02/20/2014 03/21/2014 -- -- -- -- 5 $22.9 $4.02 $26.92
02/20/2014 03/21/2014 1,231 0.00 $382.9 -- -- -- -- $382.9
01/21/2014 02/20/2014 -- -- -- -- 5 $23.44 $2.82 $26.26
01/21/2014 02/20/2014 1,273 0.00 $148.48 $218.84 -- -- -- $367.32
12/19/2013 01/21/2014 1,124 0.00 $166.76 $84.57 7 $27.56 $3.95 $282.84
11/18/2013 12/19/2013 512 0.00 $87.77 $38.52 4 $22.74 $2.26 $151.29
09/18/2013 11/18/2013 1,786 0.00 $267.91 $134.38 -- -- -- $402.29
10/18/2013 11/18/2013 -- -- -- -- 5 $23.94 $2.82 $26.76
09/18/2013 10/18/2013 -- -- -- -- 4 $22.15 $2.26 $24.41
08/19/2013 09/18/2013 601 0.00 $98.69 $45.22 3 $20.96 $1.69 $166.56
07/19/2013 08/19/2013 826 0.00 $127.1 $62.15 3 $21.65 $1.69 $212.59
06/19/2013 07/19/2013 -- -- -- -- 3 $20.98 $1.69 $22.67
06/19/2013 07/19/2013 799 0.00 $127.11 $60.12 -- -- -- $187.23
05/20/2013 06/19/2013 800 0.00 $219.66 -- -- -- -- $219.66