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  • sensij
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    Originally posted by J.P.M.
    I'm not suggesting anything - just repeating the information as published by SDG & E. But to be sure, I just checked what I printed from SDG & E and I'm looking at it as I type this. What they posted and put on the NEM history as of July 31,2014 was "Remaining MW to Cap" = 294.7.
    I'm not sure how to explain what you printed, but I got a copy of August's report from CPUC. Remaining cap at the end of August was 303.8. CPUC also provided the full history of NEM installations, which I've linked in the OP, and used to calculate the recent installation rate and projected time remaining.

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  • sensij
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    Originally posted by J.P.M.

    I don't think they archive prior months NEM cap overview sheets for web viewing. That's most of the reason my prior history on the NEM cap is sketchy.
    Yeah, something isn't adding up. I took a page from your playbook and gave SDG&E a call, but they will only share current month data. I just put in a document request with CPUC for the last 6 months. They should respond in 10 days or less... maybe more data will help. Your SWAG of more installs in summer than winter sounds reasonable to me, but if the remaining MW only decreased by 2 for all of August and September, then there is another mechanism at work.

    I recall looking at the 8/31 update and seeing a cap remaining over 300 MW, but didn't realize at the time that once it updated it would be hard to see again. That was part of the motivation to start this thread.

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  • J.P.M.
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    Originally posted by sensij
    You might want to check your data there, unless you are suggesting only 2.3 MW of cap space was taken between 07/31/14 and the 09/30/14 data in the table I posted.
    I'm not suggesting anything - just repeating the information as published by SDG & E. But to be sure, I just checked what I printed from SDG & E and I'm looking at it as I type this. What they posted and put on the NEM history as of July 31,2014 was "Remaining MW to Cap" = 294.7.

    As of 10/31/2014 the same "Remaining MW to Cap" number is listed as 278.

    Unless I'm prepared to argue with the POCO, I'll need to accept their #'s. Don't bitch at me, I'm only the piano player on this one.

    I suspect any seeming discrepancy may be due to jobs in the queue being reported as finished/not or a lag in approvals or something else buried in the reported number. Maybe the county held stuff up. Maybe ??? whatever. That's why a 12 month running total may be a better indicator of months to cap in one sense, but not as good to spot upcoming change in the rate of installs until its on top of you.

    I don't think they archive prior months NEM cap overview sheets for web viewing. That's most of the reason my prior history on the NEM cap is sketchy.

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  • sensij
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    Originally posted by J.P.M.

    Total original MW avail. for cap: 607.

    07/31/2014 remaining MW to cap : 294.7

    10/31/2014 remaining MW to cap : 278.0
    You might want to check your data there, unless you are suggesting only 2.3 MW of cap space was taken between 07/31/14 and the 09/30/14 data in the table I posted.

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  • J.P.M.
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    Originally posted by sensij
    Updated SDG&E for October. I haven't followed long enough to know if there is seasonality to this, but based on these most recent months, their cap could be projected to hit a couple months ahead of when the federal tax credit is set to expire. Nice confluence of events.

    Updates for the other two companies should be in next week.
    Hard for me to spot anything firm. SWAG : more installs in summer than winter with generally increasing installs from same month 1 yr. prior.

    FWIW:

    Total original MW avail. for cap: 607.

    07/31/2014 remaining MW to cap : 294.7

    10/31/2014 remaining MW to cap : 278.0

    294.7-278 = 16.7 MW --->>> 16.7/3 = 5.6 MW/month for the last 3 months

    278.0/5.6 = ~ 50 months to full cap.

    HOWEVER - Some comparison to some older data:

    As of 07/01/2013: remaining MW to cap = 422.6

    --->>> (422.7-278)/16 months = ~ 9.0 MW/month --->>> 278/9 = ~ 30 months to full cap.

    So, not an entirely clear picture from the data used here. I'd stick closer to the shorter # for planning purposes if for no other reason that it gives about the same cutoff as the date limit.I'd also keep an eye out, and not be too surprised by some sneaky last minute POCO tricks. After all, it's just business.

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  • sensij
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    Updated SDG&E for October. I haven't followed long enough to know if there is seasonality to this, but based on these most recent months, their cap could be projected to hit a couple months ahead of when the federal tax credit is set to expire. Nice confluence of events.

    Updates for the other two companies should be in next week.

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  • SunEagle
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    Originally posted by J.P.M.
    Not right away, and probably not all of it, at least not as it looks at this time. More likely drift into more energy ETF w/perhaps emphasis on drilling/nat. gas. It's just business.
    Interesting investment. Should have gotten into it back in 2009 after they dropped.

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  • J.P.M.
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    Originally posted by SunEagle
    Then are you going to put those funds into the "new" battery technology?
    Not right away, and probably not all of it, at least not as it looks at this time. More likely drift into more energy ETF w/perhaps emphasis on drilling/nat. gas. It's just business.

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  • SunEagle
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    Originally posted by J.P.M.
    I'm headed for # 2 (coffee !) myself. FWIW, on the POCO/solar cost horizon, depending on what flushes out w/rate restructure, tax credits etc., I'll probably dump all my solar stocks starting about a year from now +/- some.
    Then are you going to put those funds into the "new" battery technology?

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  • J.P.M.
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    Originally posted by SunEagle
    Duh!!. Must need a second cup of coffer before I reply to these posts.
    I'm headed for # 2 (coffee !) myself. FWIW, on the POCO/solar cost horizon, depending on what flushes out w/rate restructure, tax credits etc., I'll probably dump all my solar stocks starting about a year from now +/- some.

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  • SunEagle
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    Originally posted by J.P.M.
    "low ROI" ?
    Duh!!. Must need a second cup of coffer before I reply to these posts.

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  • J.P.M.
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    Originally posted by SunEagle
    You are correct. Your statement pretty much covers why Utilities are doing just about everything to meet both the government mandate and yet have profits high enough to keep investors happy.

    One of those areas is trying to change the amount of "net metering" they pay you for generation as well as having additional fees for solar grid tie customers. Some of those fees are probably justified to maintain and improve the transmission side of the electric grid. It will get interesting when all the rebates and Tax refunds go away for anyone trying to get a low ROI for their solar investment.
    "low ROI" ?

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  • SunEagle
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    Originally posted by thejq
    One thing for sure is that as more and more people install solar, the incentives and special rates (TOU, EV-TOU etc.) will be less generous. After all, utility companies are for-profit organizations. They have the fiduciary duty to increase share holder value, not making the earth a better place to live. They are doing it because of government mandate.
    You are correct. Your statement pretty much covers why Utilities are doing just about everything to meet both the government mandate and yet have profits high enough to keep investors happy.

    One of those areas is trying to change the amount of "net metering" they pay you for generation as well as having additional fees for solar grid tie customers. Some of those fees are probably justified to maintain and improve the transmission side of the electric grid. It will get interesting when all the rebates and Tax refunds go away for anyone trying to get a low ROI for their solar investment.

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  • thejq
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    One thing for sure is that as more and more people install solar, the incentives and special rates (TOU, EV-TOU etc.) will be less generous. After all, utility companies are for-profit organizations. They have the fiduciary duty to increase share holder value, not making the earth a better place to live. They are doing it because of government mandate.

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  • J.P.M.
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    Some further historical info on the pace of the SDG & E rate cap fill:

    as of: 12/31/2012 : 158.7 MW filled, 1.31% subscribed, 448 MW to go.
    03/31/2013 : 170.7 MW filled, 1.41% subscribed, 436 MW to go.
    06/30/2013 : 184.1 MW filled, 1.52% subscribed, 422.7 MW to go.

    Sorry info is somewhat sketchy.

    At the rate of subscription between 06/30/2013 and 09/30/2014, 5% will be reached in ~ 33 months. I'd expect the pace of installs will pick up as the NEM cap becomes more commonly known, moving the cap date closer. So who knows ? I'd expect an upward pressure on prices as well.

    The new tariff(s) on excess generation buyback rates may likely also affect the pace of installs and pricing, depending on the final form it takes.

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