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  • Alisobob
    Banned
    • Sep 2014
    • 605

    #586
    Originally posted by J.P.M.
    More complexity == more hassle. KISS.

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    • bcroe
      Solar Fanatic
      • Jan 2012
      • 5209

      #587
      Originally posted by J.P.M.
      More complexity == more hassle. KISS.
      A friend said, "The more stuff you have, the harder it is to keep it all working!". I have
      spent a lifetime gathering stuff, and he is right. Everything is serviced with an eye to
      minimizing future repairs. Stainless steel exhaust systems, etc; no trackers.

      If you have consistent good sun, the tracker has more justification. Clouds, etc, not as
      much. Instead try adding a few (trouble free) panels.

      East facing panels will give an early boost any time its clear. South facing panels may
      also come on, but at considerably reduced efficiency because of the extreme incidence
      angle. The proportion of power generated gradually shifts from the E to the S during
      the day. And same in reverse for a West facing array. A tracker can do all that, you
      say. Yes, HOWEVER....

      When clouds, etc interfere, output drops, but it is NOT NOTHING. It is still SOMETHING,
      and if you have enough E & W panels, it could be up to 2 X SOMETHING, because the
      dispersed light works on any orientation. A tracker can do NOTHING in this situation.

      All this becomes a lot more economical with string inverter systems, because the same
      equipment is shared by differently oriented arrays over the day. With panels at 0.$75
      a watt and installed systems around $3.50 a watt, just increasing panels is actually
      relatively inexpensive, even if their performance isn't optimum. Of course, your results
      will vary.

      A single axis tracker might have more justification than a 2 axis. Bruce Roe

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      • Alisobob
        Banned
        • Sep 2014
        • 605

        #588
        solar114.JPG

        Solar can be so weird....

        Rained in the morning, cloudy all day, sun broke through around 2pm... kinda' scattered clouds the rest of the day.... pretty much a throw-a-way day... Right?

        Wrong... it was a 30 KwH day.

        Go figure...

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        • rwb1921
          Member
          • Apr 2015
          • 64

          #589
          Originally posted by Alisobob
          [ATTACH]7036[/ATTACH]

          Solar can be so weird....

          Rained in the morning, cloudy all day, sun broke through around 2pm... kinda' scattered clouds the rest of the day.... pretty much a throw-a-way day... Right?

          Wrong... it was a 30 KwH day.

          Go figure...
          Looks like having panels on two sides really works good. I had total of 23.8 today, with a peak of 5.17. But my panels are all facing south. 6480 vs 5985 (mine) system. Still not a bad day. Covers my use and more without A/C running. Thanks for posting your results today Bob.

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          • Alisobob
            Banned
            • Sep 2014
            • 605

            #590
            Mine are all south facing as well..

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            • bcroe
              Solar Fanatic
              • Jan 2012
              • 5209

              #591
              Originally posted by Alisobob
              Solar can be so weird....

              Rained in the morning, cloudy all day, sun broke through around 2pm... kinda' scattered clouds the rest of the day....
              pretty much a throw-a-way day... Right? Wrong... it was a 30 KwH day. Go figure...
              It was even worse here; heavy overcast with off and on rain all day; the sun never came out. With extra panels
              managed to run at 35%, 53 KWH covered all use and banked some for winter. There are too many cloudy & rainy
              days here to just write them off. Bruce Roe

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              • rwb1921
                Member
                • Apr 2015
                • 64

                #592
                Originally posted by Alisobob
                Mine are all south facing as well..
                Bob, so you did not go with this in your earlier post?

                They are coming out to do the roof azimuth testing next week. I went with the micro invertors due to 2 different roof lines. I have 18 panels facing south and 6 panels facing west.

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                • Alisobob
                  Banned
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 605

                  #593
                  24.JPG

                  This is my layout.... 24 panels, all south facing.

                  In a earlier post I said east facing panels would be a disaster where I live, not that I have them.

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                  • rwb1921
                    Member
                    • Apr 2015
                    • 64

                    #594
                    Originally posted by Alisobob
                    [ATTACH=CONFIG]7038[/ATTACH]

                    This is my layout.... 24 panels, all south facing.

                    In a earlier post I said east facing panels would be a disaster where I live, not that I have them.
                    Thanks Bob, must have missed the update from your earlier post.

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                    • Alisobob
                      Banned
                      • Sep 2014
                      • 605

                      #595
                      Yesterday was a milestone day...

                      I had both good solar output.... 41 KwH's...

                      solar117.JPG


                      AND...

                      Record SCE Consumption.... 30 WhH's....

                      solar116.JPG

                      I guess keeping the house at 72 degrees, around the clock.. does come at a price.

                      I got solar to save money, The wife likes the green aspect of it.... but we both like being comfortable, whenever we like, without breaking the bank like we used to.

                      Looks like I've started to use up my stored SCE credits, its anybodys guess on how many (if any) will remain by the end of summer...

                      i_love_solar_power_heart_custom_personalized_sticker-r00c3c178ad7344fca8015c4e64ef80fd_v9wth_8by.jpg

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                      • max2k
                        Junior Member
                        • May 2015
                        • 819

                        #596
                        Originally posted by Alisobob
                        Yesterday was a milestone day...

                        I had both good solar output.... 41 KwH's...

                        [ATTACH]7108[/ATTACH]


                        AND...

                        Record SCE Consumption.... 30 WhH's....

                        [ATTACH]7109[/ATTACH]

                        I guess keeping the house at 72 degrees, around the clock.. does come at a price.

                        I got solar to save money, The wife likes the green aspect of it.... but we both like being comfortable, whenever we like, without breaking the bank like we used to.

                        Looks like I've started to use up my stored SCE credits, its anybodys guess on how many (if any) will remain by the end of summer...

                        [ATTACH=CONFIG]7110[/ATTACH]
                        Just to clarify- without solar you'd consume 71 kWh, correct? It must be freezing in your house

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                        • Alisobob
                          Banned
                          • Sep 2014
                          • 605

                          #597
                          Lot's of A/C, plus lots of baking for Fathers Day goodies....

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                          • insaneoctane
                            Solar Fanatic
                            • May 2012
                            • 158

                            #598
                            Originally posted by Alisobob
                            Lot's of A/C, plus lots of baking for Fathers Day goodies....
                            The screen shot shows that your temp high for the day was 76 degrees... That doesn't sound like it requires a ton of a/c to keep the house at 72...what am I missing? That's an enormous amount of energy consumption.

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                            • Alisobob
                              Banned
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 605

                              #599
                              It was more like low 80's, but really humid.

                              Plus the baking, plus the kids are out of school and the TV/ Computers ran all day... plus..plus...plus.

                              We are pretty high summer consumers..... which is what started this whole solar odyssey.

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                              • sensij
                                Solar Fanatic
                                • Sep 2014
                                • 5074

                                #600
                                Scaling that day out to a full month:

                                TOU-D-A: $204
                                TOU-D-B: $197
                                TOU-D-T: $211
                                Rate D: $209

                                Without the contribution of solar (so, 69.9 kWh of consumption), scaled out to the full month:

                                TOU-D-A: $618
                                TOU-D-B: $446
                                TOU-D-T: $682
                                Rate D: $631

                                When calculating the cost avoided by installing PV, it is probably worth looking at whether or not you were on the right rate plan to begin with. It is possible that TOU-D-B might have been a better plan all along, making your monthy savings a bit less than it seems. (Edit... to be fair, TOU-D-B wasn't available until Jan 1 of 2015)

                                Again, for anyone considering solar serves by a utility that offers TOU rates, it would be a good idea to look at the hourly consumption history for the past year and see how the different rate plans stack up both with and without the PV system installed.
                                Last edited by sensij; 06-22-2015, 12:39 PM. Reason: Added comment
                                CS6P-260P/SE3000 - http://tiny.cc/ed5ozx

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