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  • russ
    Solar Fanatic
    • Jul 2009
    • 10360

    #106
    Originally posted by Volusiano
    If you can use RO before DI, the cost of filtration will lower dramatically, because DI resin is much more expensive to replace.
    I was looking at RO systems -10m3/ day range - here they want you to use a softener upstream - gets expensive. 23.5 kW/k/day + chemicals, membranes etc - approximately 10,000$ system cost - softener excluded as I already have one of adequate size.
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    • frizzlefry
      Member
      • Dec 2012
      • 67

      #107
      This reminds me I haven't completed my water system yet. I have a Fleck 7000 SXT on demand 64,000 grain water softener system with a Aquacera CF12 carbon filtration system feeding the water softener. I have yet to connect my DI system to the filtered water for car washing (the joys of washing, rinsing and walking away). The DI media is expensive but as mentioned above, filtering the water extends the life. Another way to extend the media life is to use a pressure washer.

      The Aquacera is used primarily to remove chlorine from our water. Fresh clean water from all outlets, including toilets. The carbon filter system runs around $800-1000. Media life of 5 yrs ($200-300 replacement cost). The water softener system was about $800 as well. It's been about 4 years now and no problems. Not having spots on glass or mineral deposits is much appreciated by the wife.

      The DI system I have is made by CR Spotless. I could've designed my own for less had I been aware of my options at the time of purchase. But definitely going to have to get this set up before the spring/summer months come around. And maybe I'll tackle the solar panels at some point. I just don't want to go 35ft up onto the roof.

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      • silversaver
        Solar Fanatic
        • Jul 2013
        • 1390

        #108
        Originally posted by frizzlefry
        This reminds me I haven't completed my water system yet. I have a Fleck 7000 SXT on demand 64,000 grain water softener system with a Aquacera CF12 carbon filtration system feeding the water softener. I have yet to connect my DI system to the filtered water for car washing (the joys of washing, rinsing and walking away). The DI media is expensive but as mentioned above, filtering the water extends the life. Another way to extend the media life is to use a pressure washer.

        The Aquacera is used primarily to remove chlorine from our water. Fresh clean water from all outlets, including toilets. The carbon filter system runs around $800-1000. Media life of 5 yrs ($200-300 replacement cost). The water softener system was about $800 as well. It's been about 4 years now and no problems. Not having spots on glass or mineral deposits is much appreciated by the wife.

        The DI system I have is made by CR Spotless. I could've designed my own for less had I been aware of my options at the time of purchase. But definitely going to have to get this set up before the spring/summer months come around. And maybe I'll tackle the solar panels at some point. I just don't want to go 35ft up onto the roof.
        I have the same Fleck 7000 valve 64k softener. It is nicely build, but too much noise during regeneration. There's carbon filter system with Fleck 7000 valve as well that required backwashing. Looks like Aquacera CF12 carbon filtration doesn't require backwashing, that's much better in my book.

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        • russ
          Solar Fanatic
          • Jul 2009
          • 10360

          #109
          Originally posted by silversaver
          Looks like Aquacera CF12 carbon filtration doesn't require backwashing, that's much better in my book.
          How can a carbon filter function over time without back flushing? That is what gets rid of the contaminants.
          Not possible.
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          • silversaver
            Solar Fanatic
            • Jul 2013
            • 1390

            #110
            Originally posted by russ
            How can a carbon filter function over time without back flushing? That is what gets rid of the contaminants.
            Not possible.
            I hate the backwashing noise at night, that's why I said this is pretty nice..

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            I guess replace media every 5 yrs

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            • russ
              Solar Fanatic
              • Jul 2009
              • 10360

              #111
              Originally posted by silversaver
              I hate the backwashing noise at night, that's why I said this is pretty nice..

              Buy Doulton water filters & water filter systems. Get great tasting water and reduce contaminants, buy online today with Worldwide Shipping


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              I guess replace media every 5 yrs
              What they claim is total BS -

              500,000 to 2+ million gallons of filtered,
              chemical free water at every tap (sizes vary)
               Removes Chlorine, THM’s, herbicides and
              pesticides
               Removes Volatile Organic Chemicals
               Chloramines
               Heavy Metals*
               Arsenic and Fluoride reduction*
               Great tasting, clean and clear water

              The primary purpose of the carbon filter upstream of the softener is to remove the chlorine to protect the softener resin. I guess they mean to say that accidentally some of the nasties may get caught in the carbon.
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              • Geraldo29
                Junior Member
                • Feb 2014
                • 4

                #112
                awesome..

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                • frizzlefry
                  Member
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 67

                  #113
                  Originally posted by russ
                  What they claim is total BS -

                  500,000 to 2+ million gallons of filtered,
                  chemical free water at every tap (sizes vary)
                   Removes Chlorine, THM’s, herbicides and
                  pesticides
                   Removes Volatile Organic Chemicals
                   Chloramines
                   Heavy Metals*
                   Arsenic and Fluoride reduction*
                   Great tasting, clean and clear water

                  The primary purpose of the carbon filter upstream of the softener is to remove the chlorine to protect the softener resin. I guess they mean to say that accidentally some of the nasties may get caught in the carbon.
                  I can attest to the fact that after 3 years, we do not have chlorine at our taps. As for the other claims... I couldn't tell you. I was more concerned about getting water I enjoy drinking out of the faucet. Although I have read variations on how long the charcoal lasts... I have considered the backwashing system before. It is loud but the setup is away from most of the bedrooms and runs at 3am.

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                  • russ
                    Solar Fanatic
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 10360

                    #114
                    My carbon filter is flushed weekly - you can not continue to deposit more and more garbage over time without eventually exceeding the media capacity to hold the junk.

                    Some of the claims about arsenic, heavy metals, pesticides are no doubt false advertising.
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                    • Volusiano
                      Solar Fanatic
                      • Oct 2013
                      • 697

                      #115
                      Originally posted by russ
                      What they claim is total BS -

                      500,000 to 2+ million gallons of filtered,
                      chemical free water at every tap (sizes vary)
                       Removes Chlorine, THM’s, herbicides and
                      pesticides
                       Removes Volatile Organic Chemicals
                       Chloramines
                       Heavy Metals*
                       Arsenic and Fluoride reduction*
                       Great tasting, clean and clear water

                      The primary purpose of the carbon filter upstream of the softener is to remove the chlorine to protect the softener resin. I guess they mean to say that accidentally some of the nasties may get caught in the carbon.
                      From Wiki: Carbon filters are most effective at removing chlorine, sediment, volatile organic compounds (VOCs), taste and odor from water. They are not effective at removing minerals, salts, and dissolved inorganic compounds.

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                      • russ
                        Solar Fanatic
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 10360

                        #116
                        Originally posted by Volusiano
                        From Wiki: Carbon filters are most effective at removing chlorine, sediment, volatile organic compounds (VOCs), taste and odor from water. They are not effective at removing minerals, salts, and dissolved inorganic compounds.
                        Some of the claims about arsenic, heavy metals, pesticides are no doubt false advertising.
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                        • silversaver
                          Solar Fanatic
                          • Jul 2013
                          • 1390

                          #117
                          Originally posted by russ
                          Some of the claims about arsenic, heavy metals, pesticides are no doubt false advertising.
                          I guess you did not read the rest.... those required other type of filter system listed as " * "

                          Yes, backwashing is recommendated every week so as the water softener.

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                          • russ
                            Solar Fanatic
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 10360

                            #118
                            Originally posted by silversaver
                            I guess you did not read the rest.... those required other type of filter system listed as " * "

                            Yes, backwashing is recommendated every week so as the water softener.
                            Don't have to read the rest - a filter such as this will not do what they claim. RO will but that is a different critter.
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                            • silversaver
                              Solar Fanatic
                              • Jul 2013
                              • 1390

                              #119
                              Heavy rains are expected across SoCal. We are good for another few months

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                              • slopoke
                                Solar Fanatic
                                • Jan 2014
                                • 136

                                #120
                                Originally posted by silversaver
                                Heavy rains are expected across SoCal. We are good for another few months

                                It's raining up here in the Bay Area, YEA!!!!!!!!

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