NEED BIG help choosing Charge Controller/controllers please?

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  • Bigmotoxer
    Junior Member
    • Jul 2015
    • 20

    #31
    Originally posted by thastinger
    The panels are flat mounted to the roof? Makes sense if that is the case because the angle is far from ideal
    I'll see once I get it 100% ,hoping for 120'ish amps but I'll see n report back.

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    • Mike90250
      Moderator
      • May 2009
      • 16020

      #32
      Originally posted by Bigmotoxer
      Guys I keep saying that despite the math and any other factors, with my system, with 4 panels to one CC at the height of the day delivered 50amps(maybe 51). I was there I recorded it. So , not in theory but in factual actual reality, with 4 more panels to one other CC I will be receiving exactly 100amps to battery bank(maybe 102).
      But since the max amps the largest controller can put out is 93A (Midnight) you still need 2 controllers, or else you live with 1 controller running in current limit mode for several hours daily, which will likely cook it quickly. (in a couple months).
      Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
      || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
      || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

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      • Bigmotoxer
        Junior Member
        • Jul 2015
        • 20

        #33
        Originally posted by Mike90250
        But since the max amps the largest controller can put out is 93A (Midnight) you still need 2 controllers, or else you live with 1 controller running in current limit mode for several hours daily, which will likely cook it quickly. (in a couple months).
        Yes one CC if I go up to 24v , two CC if I stay 12v. I'll probably buy 2, use 2 at 12v, ..then go up to 24v after I get more $ to purchase 24v inverter. Then I'll have a spare CC just incase Its coming together, ..slowly lol

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        • Bigmotoxer
          Junior Member
          • Jul 2015
          • 20

          #34
          Btw does anyone know of a decent high amp(50amp maybe) 110v(generator or house powered), 12/24v battery charger?

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          • lkruper
            Solar Fanatic
            • May 2015
            • 892

            #35
            Originally posted by Bigmotoxer
            Btw does anyone know of a decent high amp(50amp maybe) 110v(generator or house powered), 12/24v battery charger?

            A 1600w inverter generator like my Smarter Tools for about $600 gives 133 amps @ 12 volts.

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            • radareclipse
              Member
              • Jul 2015
              • 61

              #36
              Originally posted by Bigmotoxer
              Btw does anyone know of a decent high amp(50amp maybe) 110v(generator or house powered), 12/24v battery charger?
              I use a Craftsman Platinum. It has 2, 15, 40 and 125 i think are the levels. It is not a floor standing model. It has battery type choices which include their Platinum AGM battery. I've used my pretty often to maintain a few cars that dont get driven enough. They run about $89-99.

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              • Bigmotoxer
                Junior Member
                • Jul 2015
                • 20

                #37
                Originally posted by lkruper
                A 1600w inverter generator like my Smarter Tools for about $600 gives 133 amps @ 12 volts.
                Your inverter generator give 133 amps? Or are u saying that u plug a charger into the generator?

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                • lkruper
                  Solar Fanatic
                  • May 2015
                  • 892

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Bigmotoxer
                  Your inverter generator give 133 amps? Or are u saying that u plug a charger into the generator?
                  Yes, here it is on Amazon -> http://www.amazon.com/Smarter-Tools-...5%3A2470955011

                  You can also get a parallel cable and combine the output of the two of these together. It can sustain 1600 watts, and 1600 / 12v = 133 amps, however I would suggest running at 1/2 - 3/4 capacity for best efficiency. It does have DC output as well, but I would get a good three-stage charger and run it off the generator. I suppose you could also get a DC-DC charger but an AC charger would be more versatile IMO.

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                  • Bigmotoxer
                    Junior Member
                    • Jul 2015
                    • 20

                    #39
                    Originally posted by lkruper
                    Yes, here it is on Amazon -> http://www.amazon.com/Smarter-Tools-...5%3A2470955011

                    You can also get a parallel cable and combine the output of the two of these together. It can sustain 1600 watts, and 1600 / 12v = 133 amps, however I would suggest running at 1/2 - 3/4 capacity for best efficiency. It does have DC output as well, but I would get a good three-stage charger and run it off the generator. I suppose you could also get a DC-DC charger but an AC charger would be more versatile IMO.
                    I already have a Yamaha 3000 inverter generator. But I'm looking for a charger to plug into it....that will charge my 1200a.h. battery bank if ever need be.

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                    • radareclipse
                      Member
                      • Jul 2015
                      • 61

                      #40
                      This is the newest equivalent version of what I have.

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                      • Bigmotoxer
                        Junior Member
                        • Jul 2015
                        • 20

                        #41
                        I don't know if 40amps will charge my 1200ah battery bank. I've seen some commercial units that charge @20/50/80...Expensive tho.

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                        • Mike90250
                          Moderator
                          • May 2009
                          • 16020

                          #42
                          Originally posted by lkruper
                          ..... It can sustain 1600 watts, and 1600 / 12v = 133 amps, however I would suggest running at 1/2 - 3/4 capacity for best efficiency. ........
                          That is just a simple wattage calculation, not real life. A charger will have more loss, both Power Factor & Efficiency losses
                          The very best one I can quickly find for 24V (28V needed to charge 24V battery)

                          40A @ 28V, about 1,242w input consumption. Much higher input needs to go to 240V because standard household outlets are not rated for higher power long term.

                          For 12V, I have a VEC1093 12V Charger (now branded as Black&Decker) and it has a 40 or 50A mode.


                          SPECIFICATIONS DLS-UI-27-40 CONVERTER / CHARGER
                          DC Output Voltage (No Load) approx. 27.2V (DC)
                          Output Voltage Tolerance (No Load) + or - .5%
                          Output Amperage, Max Continuous 40 Amps
                          Output Voltage (Full Load) approx. >27.0V (DC)
                          Maximum Power Output, Continuous 1100 Watts
                          Ripple and Noise <100 mV rms
                          Input Voltage Range 108-264V (AC)
                          Input Voltage Frequency 47-63
                          Maximum AC Current @ 120VAC 11.5 Amps
                          Power Factor (@ Full Load) >90%
                          Typical Efficiency 80%
                          Max Inrush Current, Single Cycle 75 Amps
                          Short Circuit Protection Yes
                          Overload Protection >100%
                          Line Regulation 100 mV rms
                          Load Regulation <1%
                          Fan Control Proportional
                          Thermal Protection YES
                          Working Temperature Range 0°- 40°C
                          Storage Temperature -20° to 80°C
                          Withstand Voltage (VDC)* 1700/1700/500
                          Dimensions 13" x 8.3" x 3.4"
                          Weight 9 lbs
                          Input Cord** IEC C-14
                          Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                          || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                          || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                          solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                          gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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