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  • Mike90250
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    Switch the inverter's AC off, that shuts it all down, with a cheap easy breaker. Then turn off the DC disconnect, which should have no power flowing anyway (through the expensive DC switch)

    So now the wiring connectors are safe from a spark on connect/disconnect. But you still have the high DC voltage potential on the string as you start connecting panels in series. The MC connectors are "supposed" to be Touch Safe, but you can never tell.....

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  • RShackleford
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    Originally posted by bob-n
    In your case, I think Mike means having the DC load/break switch open. You need something to open-circuit the panel loop. Fronius, SolarEdge, and SMA have DC disconnect built into the inverter. That needs to be open while you do the plugging.
    Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

    So the main risk is open-circuit voltages, adding (in series) in partially-connected strings. Does my interpretation of the panel's I-V curves, that Voc can still be pretty high even with very low irradiance, make sense ? As mentioned above, best mitigated by doing the potentially-shocking connections early-on and then the MC4 ones. After that, lineman's gloves are probably overkill, but maybe some sort of hardware-store glove can provide a little insurance.

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  • bob-n
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    In your case, I think Mike means having the DC load/break switch open. You need something to open-circuit the panel loop. Fronius, SolarEdge, and SMA have DC disconnect built into the inverter. That needs to be open while you do the plugging.

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  • RShackleford
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    Originally posted by Mike90250
    Leave all breakers and switches OFF

    This prevents any current (amps) flow and prevents arcs. You still have voltage potential but the MC4 connectors are well insulated. Don't perform electrical operations when it's wet or damp

    Any arc generated with MC connectors is fatal to the thin gold plate internally on the contacts and the connector will overheat and fail. Let your circuit breaker do it's job of disconnecting, that's why it's got a handle on it, and why I recommend breakers over fuses (fuse holders are not rated for disconnect)

    Wire all the screw terminal connections first, open the breakers and then, plug the MC connectors together. You can do a voltage test across the breaker terminals before you energize it, you should get your expected open circuit voltage (of your series string)
    I'm not quite following. Breakers are on the AC side - I'm connecting the inverter's AC output to the panel via an AC disconnect and a breaker in the main panel, and one or both of them will be disabled. I guess then hopefully the inverter will not sink any current from its DC inputs, so no current can ever flow (unless you accidentally connect the panels into a ring), which should prevent any arc'ing - definitely worthwhile (to prevent connector damage as you say, among other things).

    However, the inverter has a DC load/break switch, and when that is switched off, the inverter can't sink any current from the strings anyhow, so it shouldn't really matter whether the AC is connected or not.

    You can do a voltage test across the breaker terminals before you energize it, you should get your expected open circuit voltage (of your series string)
    Don't follow at all. Not gonna see any voltage on the breaker terminals at all, without it being connected to the grid.

    Are you talking about a breaker on the DC inputs ? That would explain my confusion. I don't believe I have that though, except maybe it's built into the aforementioned DC load/break switch somehow.



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  • RShackleford
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    Originally posted by peakbagger
    I have always done it in the dark or with the panels completely covered with cardboard.
    I don't have enough cardboard, or a tarp big enough, so I guess I'll just do it in the dark with a headlight.
    During on testing event during the daytime I got to see a very impressive arc that I do not want to see again.
    What do you mean by "on testing event" ? You'd have to disconnect/reconnect the DC wires to see an arc, right ?


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  • Mike90250
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    Leave all breakers and switches OFF

    This prevents any current (amps) flow and prevents arcs. You still have voltage potential but the MC4 connectors are well insulated. Don't perform electrical operations when it's wet or damp

    Any arc generated with MC connectors is fatal to the thin gold plate internally on the contacts and the connector will overheat and fail. Let your circuit breaker do it's job of disconnecting, that's why it's got a handle on it, and why I recommend breakers over fuses (fuse holders are not rated for disconnect)

    Wire all the screw terminal connections first, open the breakers and then, plug the MC connectors together. You can do a voltage test across the breaker terminals before you energize it, you should get your expected open circuit voltage (of your series string)
    Last edited by Mike90250; 06-21-2020, 09:59 AM.

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  • peakbagger
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    I have always done it in the dark or with the panels completely covered with cardboard. During on testing event during the daytime I got to see a very impressive arc that I do not want to see again.

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  • RShackleford
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    safety when connecting panels into strings

    When panels are connected into strings (by series connection), very high voltages can accrue. When connecting the panels to each other and to the inverter (and possibly junction boxes or combiner boxes along the way), what is the best way to insure safety ?

    In my specific case: a ground-mount system. The ends of each of my two strings go into a junction box. There they are connected by a terminal block to THWN wire which runs underground in conduit to the SMA inverter.

    I can think of a couple of good ideas:

    1. Wire the strings up when the sun's not shining. However, when wiring the strings, the voltages you might come into contact with are probably the sums of the open-circuit voltages of the panels which are connected at any given time. If I'm interpreting these I-V curves (below) for my panel correctly, it looks like the open-circuit voltage for the panel doesn't drop much with lower irradiance: note how the various curves tend to come back together on the right, where the current goes to zero (thus, open-circuit). So I dunno if low sunlight will offer all that much protection. Might need to be so low that seeing to work could be an issue.

    2. Do the connections, that involve handling bare wire, before the strings are wired. In my case, connect the THWN to the inverter. Then connect the THWN, and the cables which join the strings to the THWN (MC4 at one end, bare wire at the other end), to the terminal block in the junction box. After that all wiring is done by plugging MC4 connectors together.

    3. Don't do it when the ground is wet. Wear rubber-sole shoes. Wear some kind of gloves ?

    That's all I got. Maybe I worry too much.


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    Last edited by RShackleford; 06-21-2020, 11:26 PM.
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