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  • dimitrisbronowski
    Junior Member
    • Apr 2015
    • 4

    #1

    how to convert radiation on horizontal plane to an inclined one

    Good afternoon everybody!
    I have data for the hourly radiation on a horizontal plane and weather conditions for a location for a few years. I need to convert the radiation on the horizontal plane to the radiation on an inclined plane.
    Do you know any page that explains well how to do that? Pveducation didn't do it good enough for me to understand.
    Even better, does anyone have a matlab script that does it or an excel sheet?

    Thank you!
  • sensij
    Solar Fanatic
    • Sep 2014
    • 5074

    #2
    There is not a single right answer for how to convert GHI to POA irradiance. You can look at the documentation provided by NREL that supports PVWatts and SAM (System Advisor Model) for some ideas.

    Most of the better models will require an estimate of the diffuse fraction. Nrel has spreadsheets to help with this.
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    • dimitrisbronowski
      Junior Member
      • Apr 2015
      • 4

      #3
      I wasn't clear enough. What I am searching for is the trigonometric formula to convert direct radiation on a horizontal plane to direct radiation on a inclined. I am not interested in diffused radiation models etc. I have the formula that converts the radiation from a plane looking directly to the sun to the radiation on an stationary inclined plane(the one that depends on the inclination of the panel, the time of the day, the day of the year etc). But I don't know how to convert the radiation from the horizontal plane to the plane following the sun so I can have the overall conversion.

      Should I just use the formula given at http://pveducation.org/pvcdrom/prope...tilted-surface for Smodule? I am asking because it doesn't seem to take into account the time of the date and I thought that it would be necessary.

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      • sensij
        Solar Fanatic
        • Sep 2014
        • 5074

        #4
        It sounds like you just need to take the formula you already have (which includes Sun positioning) and set the inclination of the array to 0. Am i still misunderstanding?
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        • dimitrisbronowski
          Junior Member
          • Apr 2015
          • 4

          #5
          Originally posted by sensij
          It sounds like you just need to take the formula you already have (which includes Sun positioning) and set the inclination of the array to 0. Am i still misunderstanding?
          I have already the radiation on the horizontal plane. I want to convert it to the inclined plane.
          The formula I have can convert the suns radiation from a plane that looks directly at the sun(not from a horizontal plane) to the radiation on an inclined plane.

          The formula in the link, which is supposed to transform from horizontal to inclined, doesn't depend on the time of the day. I believe that the angle of the sun as refered to the inclined plane should depend on the time of the day. So I guess I cannot use that formula directly.

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          • sensij
            Solar Fanatic
            • Sep 2014
            • 5074

            #6
            Your link doesn't seem to account for azimuth, it assumes the tilted array is always facing the sun. That is not generally true.

            Calculating irradiance on a horizontal plane, and then converting to an inclined plane is more complicated than you need. It would be simpler to directly calculate irradiance on the tilted plane, using solar position and array position to determine the incidence angle.

            This link is much more through in the discussion of how to calculate the incidence angle.

            cos(incidence angle) * direct radiation = direct radiation incident to the plane of the array.

            If you really want to calculate horizontal POA irradiance, and then back to inclined array POA, the next section of the site I linked shows how to do it. Gory math that way.
            Last edited by sensij; 04-21-2015, 12:21 PM.
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            • J.P.M.
              Solar Fanatic
              • Aug 2013
              • 14983

              #7
              What you are looking for can be as simple or as complicated as your needs dictate. Most any decent solar energy text has info that can be summarized on one page. There are also many web sites that will do the calcs in a probably adequate way, but some info will need to be supplied to get meaningful #'s suitable for system output estimates. Know what is needed for what you want to get. GIGO.

              Briefly, the solar radiation falling on a surface usually has 3 components: Direct beam, diffuse, and reflected from the surroundings or intentionally augmented with reflectors/mirrors.

              The raw intensity of the total solar radiation at a location is a function of the altitude above sea level for that location, the path length of the radiation through the atmosphere (as f(zenith angle), the atmospheric conditions of dust, water vapor, and other junk, etc., the cloudiness at the time the intensity is sought and a few other things. It will vary from zero at night to some level of approx. 1,000 Watts/m^2 or maybe a bit more, but almost always less than that max. 1,000 Watts/m^2 measured perpendicular to the solar disk.

              The direct beam component of the radiation received on a surface of arbitrary orientation is the direct normal component of the sunlight (what casts a shadow), projected onto the plane of the receiving surface, using the relation: Beam radiation on a surface of arbitrary orientation = Direct normal X Cos (angle of incidence). The angle of incidence is a bit of a complicated function of the relation between the orientation of the receiver (The "tilt" relative to the horizontal, and the azimuth of the receiver - the direction, usually relative to true north), and the solar position. The solar position is a function of the latitude and longitude of the location, the day of the year and time of day, usually by the hour, at the midpoint of that hour. There are many website that will give solar position using the described logic.

              The diffuse component is the radiation that gets to the receiver after being broken up, waylaid and bounced around some (diffused) by the atmosphere. It may be all of the received radiation (as in under completely cloudy skies) or ~~ SOMEWHERE between 10 and 20% of the total reaching the ground under "clear" skies, or something in between for hazy, dirty, or partly cloudy skies. There are many, many different correlations for determining how much of the radiation on a receiver is diffuse, and/or/even its dominant direction - most all of them an estimate/ educated guess. Often, a good portion of the diffuse is considered, or calc'd, from those correlations (most all of them being quite empirical) as coming from the general direction of the solar disk. A less significant portion may be due to something called "horizon brightening".

              The reflected component is composed of both direct and diffuse components and is very dependent on what's around the receiver, the reflective prop. of each reflecting surface, and that reflector's orientation, as well as the geometrical relationship to the receiver. Usually, but not always, unless part of the design as in booster mirrors, etc., the reflected component adds a few % to the total at most, more in snowy climates or very light colored surroundings, but most always less than 20 % under all but the most favorable conditions.

              Perhaps more than you wanted to know, but, unfortunately or not, probably not as simple as most want to make it. The unfortunate part is, some complexity is necessary. The fortunate part is that it's not that sophisticated a concept, as much as it is involved, requiring some digging and time to understand what's needed for what is still going to be a dart throw given the uncertainties associated with the variables and the atmosphere.

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              • dimitrisbronowski
                Junior Member
                • Apr 2015
                • 4

                #8
                Originally posted by sensij
                If you really want to calculate horizontal POA irradiance, and then back to inclined array POA, the next section of the site I linked shows how to do it. Gory math that way.
                Good afternoon!
                Thank you both for your answers! They were really helpful!

                Sensij I don't want to calculate the horizontal POA irradiance. I already have it as a measurement from the meteorological station. I want to transform it to the radiation falling on an inclined surface. So what I want is to understand which trigonometric function I should use in order to transform the beam irradiation falling on the horizontal to the radiation falling on the inclined. So, I already have the function to calculate the cos(theta) but this only takes me half way, from -the direct radiation on a surface looking directly to the sun- to -the radiation falling on the inclined surface-. My question is how I go from the direct radiation on a horizontal plane to the beam irradiation on a plane looking directly to the sun, in order to multiply after by cos(theta) to get to the inclined.
                Or is there a -- trigonometric -- relation to transform directly the beam radiation falling on the horizontal surface to the beam radiation falling on a tilted surface?

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                • sensij
                  Solar Fanatic
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 5074

                  #9
                  What you want to do is not a simple trig relationship. You have measured GHI (probably). You will need an estimate of diffuse fraction to get the number you want. You will need a model to get from one to the other. Sorry. Read what J.P.M. wrote a couple times. If you aren't following, spend some more time with the textbooks until you do.

                  DISC model overview
                  DISC model spreadsheet

                  Once you have estimated the diffuse fraction you can use calculations for each component to get the sum of POA irradiance. You can just choose the beam component and focus on that, if you prefer.

                  POA calculation summary

                  Edit... if you are saying that your measurement is of DNI on a horizontal surface, then just skip to the POA calculation, and focus only on Eb. If calculating the angle of incidence is where you are stuck, try the link below. However, this would not be the typical approach. Most weather stations will measure and report only GHI, not DNI.

                  AOI calculation
                  Last edited by sensij; 04-21-2015, 06:25 PM. Reason: it would help if you use standard terminology.
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                  • inetdog
                    Super Moderator
                    • May 2012
                    • 9909

                    #10
                    Originally posted by dimitrisbronowski
                    Good afternoon!
                    Thank you both for your answers! They were really helpful!

                    Sensij I don't want to calculate the horizontal POA irradiance. I already have it as a measurement from the meteorological station. I want to transform it to the radiation falling on an inclined surface. So what I want is to understand which trigonometric function I should use in order to transform the beam irradiation falling on the horizontal to the radiation falling on the inclined. So, I already have the function to calculate the cos(theta) but this only takes me half way, from -the direct radiation on a surface looking directly to the sun- to -the radiation falling on the inclined surface-. My question is how I go from the direct radiation on a horizontal plane to the beam irradiation on a plane looking directly to the sun, in order to multiply after by cos(theta) to get to the inclined.
                    Or is there a -- trigonometric -- relation to transform directly the beam radiation falling on the horizontal surface to the beam radiation falling on a tilted surface?
                    IF you have a device which takes incident solar radiation and converts some fraction of it to usable energy AND whose efficiency does not depend in any way on the angle at which the radiation is hitting the surface, then the calculation is very simple geometry:

                    If solar radiation gives you 1000 w/m2 of energy where the area is the area perpendicular to the radiation direction (directly facing the sun), then all you need to do for an inclined panel is calculate how much area that panel covers in the line of the suns rays.
                    Look at it this way: The inclined panel will cast a shadow which shows how much of the sun's rays are being blocked. Consider a perpendicular panel that casts the exact same shadow. That will block (capture) the same amount of radiation.
                    The area of that panel is the area of the inclined panel time the cosine of the angle between the two panels.
                    If the inclined panel is fixed relative to the earth, that angle will be changing with time of day. There is no easy formula for that if all you have been given is the total incoming radiation over the course of the whole day.

                    The first complication is that a real solar collector (PV or thermal) may not work as well at absorbing the incident solar radiation when it comes in at other than a perpendicular. That will be a second correction factor which we have not taken into account yet.

                    The second complication, which is more troublesome, is that you have referred alternately to a horizontal plane and to a plane which is always perpendicular to the sun's rays.
                    Which are you actually talking about as the source of the measurements you are trying to convert??
                    If it is really a horizontal plane, then an inclined plane which is closer to perpendicular to the sun will actually intercept MORE sunlight that the horizontal plane. The amount by which it intercepts more energy will be cos(I)/cos(H) where I is the angle to the sun of the inclined plane and H is the angle of the sun to the horizontal.
                    For the special case of I = 0, the intercepted energy will be 1/cos(H) times the intercepted energy of the same area horizontal plane (e.g. flat roof).
                    But this factor will also change over the course of the day as the sun rises and sets.
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                    • foo1bar
                      Solar Fanatic
                      • Aug 2014
                      • 1833

                      #11
                      Originally posted by dimitrisbronowski
                      I want to transform it to the radiation falling on an inclined surface.
                      JMHO - but you're likely taking the more complex route.
                      The simpler route is to use a tool like PVwatts.nrel.gov to get an estimate of the
                      kWh/m^2/day for each month (as well as kwh for the size PV system you plug in)

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                      • J.P.M.
                        Solar Fanatic
                        • Aug 2013
                        • 14983

                        #12
                        OP:

                        Read/study what's been provided on this thread. All you are looking for is here. Honest. I believe I understand what you think you want. I've spent some parts of the better part of 40 or so years studying and using what you're dealing with.

                        Unfortunately, the subject is not quite as amenable to reduction to as simple a thing as you seem to want/need.

                        What Sensij provided is probably as good as anything for most applications. I'd respectfully suggest using it. For further explanation/backgroung see Duffie & Beckman, which also includes similar, but slightly different approaches to some aspects along with some discussion of the methods.

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                        • J.P.M.
                          Solar Fanatic
                          • Aug 2013
                          • 14983

                          #13
                          Originally posted by foo1bar
                          JMHO - but you're likely taking the more complex route.
                          The simpler route is to use a tool like PVwatts.nrel.gov to get an estimate of the
                          kWh/m^2/day for each month (as well as kwh for the size PV system you plug in)
                          More JMHO: It seemed to me that he OP was looking for a way to calculate as much or more than just the bottom line result.

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                          • myfriendSUN
                            Member
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 95

                            #14
                            Originally posted by dimitrisbronowski
                            My question is how I go from the direct radiation on a horizontal plane to the beam irradiation on a plane looking directly to the sun, in order to multiply after by cos(theta) to get to the inclined.
                            Or is there a -- trigonometric -- relation to transform directly the beam radiation falling on the horizontal surface to the beam radiation falling on a tilted surface?
                            Is this what you are looking for???

                            S(module) = S(horizontal)sin (alpha + beta) / sin alpha

                            where : alpha = incident angle of the sun, which change according to the time of the day
                            beta = tilt angle of panel



                            BUT you are going to need to have the hourly sun angle "alpha" to do the calculation
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                            • myfriendSUN
                              Member
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 95

                              #15
                              Originally posted by dimitrisbronowski
                              Should I just use the formula given at http://pveducation.org/pvcdrom/prope...tilted-surface for Smodule? I am asking because it doesn't seem to take into account the time of the date and I thought that it would be necessary.
                              I think this is the one you are looking for.
                              The formula is TRUE for any incident as far as you have the incident sun angle.

                              You are going to need to have the hourly sun angle "alpha" to do the calculation.
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