Help With Con Ed bill

**sensij** · 03-23-2015, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by ukrscuba

Hello,
I have net metering with Con Edison and just got a bill which got me confused.
Feb 17, 15 estimated reading -99890
Mar 18, 15 actual reading 00058

The meter has no idea how much your system has generated. It can only show how much was used, net. Based on what you've posted, you consumed 168 kWh net.. so your total consumption was 168 + whatever your PV system produced.

**ukrscuba** · 03-23-2015, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by sensij

The meter has no idea how much your system has generated. It can only show how much was used, net. Based on what you've posted, you consumed 168 kWh net.. so your total consumption was 168 + whatever your PV system produced.

So, if my net meter was installed as 00000 at the beginning and solar produced enough to move net meter back to -99890 no charges on bill for me.

Con Ed reading -99890
Next reading is -99990
Does this means Con Ed will bill me for 100Kwh?

**Willy T** · 03-23-2015, 11:02 PM

It means you had a credit of 110 kWh and you used 100 kwh and you still have a credit of 10 kwh

**ukrscuba** · 03-24-2015, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by ukrscuba

So, if my net meter was installed as 00000 at the beginning and solar produced enough to move net meter back to -99890 no charges on bill for me.

Con Ed reading -99890
Next reading is -99990
Does this mean Con Ed will bill me for 100Kwh?

What if the Next reading is 00058? Is it 58Kwh overused or 168Kwh overused?

I am trying to figurout how this billing with net mittering works.

Based on respond from Con Ed and from sensij if
1. First reading -99500
Next Reading -99999
I have credit of 1KWh (no charges on my bill)

2. First reading -99500
Next Reading 00001
I have used from the grid 501KWh and will be billed for 501KWh (usage and delivery)

And in my understanding if:
First reading -99500
Next Reading 00001
I have used 1KWh from the grid and should be billed for 1KWh (usage and delivery)

Please let me know where am I wrong.
Thank you .

**DanS26** · 03-24-2015, 10:21 AM

You are confusing "balances" (ie meter readings) with usage. The difference between the readings is your usage. It doesn't make any difference if the beginning balance is negative or positive. You have to focus on the change in the readings.

**ukrscuba** · 03-24-2015, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by DanS26

You are confusing "balances" (ie meter readings) with usage. The difference between the readings is your usage. It doesn't make any difference if the beginning balance is negative or positive. You have to focus on the change in the readings.

May be I do not understand accounting, but:

For example, if the difference between reading of 99800 and 99900 is 100 kWh is that a credit. I had a few readings before where it was negative and had never been billed for that, on the bill Elec Use (Kwh) was always 0.

When my meter was installed few months ago, it was read as 00000 and my solar system start to spin this net meter backward , at one time reading was 99890 (110Kwh credit), no charges from the grid.
Next was 00058. My simple questions is where did 110 KWh credit went to to reach 00000 reading? If I used it as my credit why Con Ed bill me for that credit?

Would my Next reading read 99999, is that a 1KWh credit or 109 Kwh I have to pay for.
Sorry for being PITA

**DanS26** · 03-24-2015, 11:25 AM

I can offer no more help. Maybe a math teacher will come along and explain it to you.

**DanS26** · 03-24-2015, 11:33 AM

After rereading your post I think I can now see your point. Your POCO is charging you for all positive changes in your readings but they are not reimbursing you for negative changes.

This is not a meter reading problem this is a contract problem.

Time to pull out your net metering contract and find out how settlement occurs so that you get properly reimbursed.

**ukrscuba** · 03-24-2015, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by DanS26

After rereading your post I think I can now see your point. Your POCO is charging you for all positive changes in your readings but they are not reimbursing you for negative changes.

This is not a meter reading problem this is a contract problem.

Time to pull out your net metering contract and find out how settlement occurs so that you get properly reimbursed.

To tell you the truth and after your comments I started to look for a math tutor

and almost when I got a good one, I received a letter from my POCO solar department and it is clear now for me and I was right at the beginning that I did have a credit of 110Kwh.
IT WAS RECONCILED.
My credit of 110KWh is my gift to POCO.
Here is their response:
"
If the meter began from 00000 on 2/17 and on 3/18 it was 00058, then yes you are only required to pay for the 58 kilowatt-hours. Any stored energy up to the reading of 99890 has been credited and applied to your account. The new net meter credit summary is reset with a start reading of 99890. from that reading, the meter advanced forward from 99890, not 00000. This creates an invoice for 168 kilowatt-hours. If we did not reconcile in January, then you would have 110 kilowatt-hours of stored credit and we would apply it towards the full 168 kilowatt-hours leaving the balance of 58 kilowatt-hours to be paid. January is the reconciliation month for your account and it is decided by the solar company. The kilowatt-hour credits are converted to a dollar amount, and as mentioned above, applied to the balance on your account. This happens after the meter is read in January for annual reconciliation. The invoice is mailed along with a letter and the Net Metering Credit Summary stating the account was reconciled."

**inetdog** · 03-25-2015, 05:03 AM

Originally posted by ukrscuba

To tell you the truth and after your comments I started to look for a math tutor

and almost when I got a good one, I received a letter from my POCO solar department and it is clear now for me and I was right at the beginning that I did have a credit of 110Kwh.
IT WAS RECONCILED.
My credit of 110KWh is my gift to POCO.
Here is their response:
"
If the meter began from 00000 on 2/17 and on 3/18 it was 00058, then yes you are only required to pay for the 58 kilowatt-hours. Any stored energy up to the reading of 99890 has been credited and applied to your account. The new net meter credit summary is reset with a start reading of 99890. from that reading, the meter advanced forward from 99890, not 00000. This creates an invoice for 168 kilowatt-hours. If we did not reconcile in January, then you would have 110 kilowatt-hours of stored credit and we would apply it towards the full 168 kilowatt-hours leaving the balance of 58 kilowatt-hours to be paid. January is the reconciliation month for your account and it is decided by the solar company. The kilowatt-hour credits are converted to a dollar amount, and as mentioned above, applied to the balance on your account. This happens after the meter is read in January for annual reconciliation. The invoice is mailed along with a letter and the Net Metering Credit Summary stating the account was reconciled."

Most net metering agreements have a limit on the carry-forward of net balances in your favor. Most of them will do the reconciliation/balancing/zeroing by default 12 months after the date your installation started working. But some will allow you to make a one-time selection of that date, and others put all of their net metering customers on the same arbitrary 12 month schedule regardless of when the interconnect started.
In your case you appear to have been unfortunate enough to get adjusted while you still had a credit balance.

Some net metering systems will just wipe out that credit, while others will pay you for it at some low wholesale energy rate, as little as $.04/kWh.

Really unfavorable net metering systems will not carry any credit across even one month boundaries.

**peakbagger** · 03-25-2015, 08:31 AM

Every net metering agreement is different. In NH, the utility never reconciles involuntarily. There is once a year period where at the customers request they will cash out the balance of KWh's at a highly unfavorable rate. The net metering rate is limited to a fixed amount of PV in each utility and then any future installs will most likely go under a less fortunate rate. At least one utility has hit that amount. Generally the utility will grandfather and old rate class so I hope to keep my current deal.

I build up credit in the summer and then heat my house for much of the winter with a minisplit augmented with wood when it really gets cold. As it is I still have 1000KWh going into spring so expect I need to buy an electric car to burn up the excess

**myfriendSUN** · 03-25-2015, 09:34 AM

Wants to Look at Another Coned Bill ???

My old meter was replaced with a net meter and my system was turned on on 8/27/14.
My old meter actual reading on 8/19 was 75061.

Sep Bill: 9/18 est reading 99819
8/27 -0
New meter electricity use 99819 kWh
Old meter electricity use -99662 kWh
Total electricity use 157 kWh (This was what I consumed from them before my system was ON.)

Oct Bill: 10/17 act reading 99819
9/18 est reading -99819
Your electricity use 0 kWh

Nov Bill: 11/18 act reading 99940
10/17 act reading -99819
Your electricity use 121 kWh (This was the first one, as of Nov 19 !)

11/18 act reading 99940
10/17 act reading -99940
Your electricity use 0 kWh (This was the final one, as of Dec 3 !)
What happened here???

Dec Bill: 12/18 act reading 102
11/18 act reading -0 (This reading was reset to zero! Annual Reconciliation???)
Your electricity use 102 kWh
Would it meant I was not charged for 60 kWh???

The bills after the Dec Bill were back to normal so far.

I did call them to have March as my Annual Reconciliation Month. I cannot recall the day I made the call, mostly between Dec 14 to Jan 15.

Very confused!.

Help With Con Ed bill

Help With Con Ed bill

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