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  • classradiance
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2012
    • 5

    #1

    3 room calculations for solar lighting

    calculations for Home / Boat / Caravan / Shed

    4 x 3W LED lamp.JPG

    1.Add up the hours that each light will be on for to get the Total of Energy Consumed.
    2.From that you can Calculate everything you need IE: Solar Panel / Battery / Charge Controller
    ------------------------------------------

    My Calculations
    3 Zones
    1 X LED SPOT @ 10W + 2 x LED FLOOD @ 15W
    on for (SEE CHART) hours per night
    ...................

    -Watt/Hour Chart- - Only ever use 12 volt LED lights -

    3 Room scenario

    kitchen/Diner 15W on when required daily average use -- 3 hours = 45wh
    Bedroom 10W on when required daily average use - 2 hours = 20wh
    front Room 15W on when required daily average use - 8 hours = 120wh

    Total usage per night in Winter = 185wh/d
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    -Load and Battery -

    House Lights Consumption = 185Wh
    185 watt-hours divided by 12 volts = 15.42 amphours taken from system in 1 night

    Because we can only use half the energy in a lead acid battery without harming the battery,
    the minimum battery size is 15.42 amps x 2 = 30.84 amp hours.

    I want my system to be reliable if we have four consecutive days of cloudy weather,
    4 days of autonomy x 30.84 = 123.36 amp hours for the battery. = 124 + amp hour battery
    (Required Battery Bank = 1 x 130 Ah True Deep Cycle


    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    -Charging Battery from Panel-
    This installation is in a location that gets 5 hours of full sun per day.
    Check the charts for this depending on the month in the Season.
    To recharge the battery for one day of use we need 30.84 amps in 5 hours = 30.84 / 5 = 6.17 amps from a 12 volt solar panel array.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    -Solar Panel -
    Most load calculations include a discount factor for the inefficiency of recharging the battery.
    20% is typical. 6.17 / 0.8 = 7.71 amps.

    A single 140W solar array that has an Impp (amps maximum power point) of 7.7A would be suitable

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    -Charge Controller Rating in AMPS-
    The 140W solar array has a short circuit amp rating (Isc) of 8.2A 8.2A x 1.25 = 10.25A
    use a 10.3A or larger charge controller with this array to charge the battery.

    Cheap example - 20A Unit
    For best efficiency to charge use an MPPT Type.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    - estimated Cost of mentioned Materials - 20 years / $450. = $500./240 months = £2.08 month = .52 per week ....wow

    Have seen 140w poly panel on Net for $170 inc delivery
    Have seen 130Ah Varta Leisure Battery 12V 130Ah for around $150 inc delivery
    20A Charge controller $20 - $60 - mppt prefered of course
    3 QUALITY External (For in or out & VERY BRIGHT) LED Lights 2 x 15w/1 x 10w = $60
    100m of .75mm twin and earth from wholesalers = $30
    Mounting Bracket for Panel = $20

    Estimated Total = $500ish

    Also required - Fuse box / switches / bits ..


    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -Solar Panel specification-
    STK-140P6-A ...... manufactured by 3E
    Related power
    140W
    Open circuit voltage Voc(V)
    23V
    Short-circuit current Isc(A)
    8.2A
    Optimum operation voltage Vmp(V)
    18.3V
    Optimum operation current Imp(A)
    7.7A
    .......................

    Thanks to everyone who places information out there on the WWW
    Hope the above can inspire you.
    Not mentioned above are Switches, Inverters, Distribution, Heating, Health & Safety,
    etc ... Caution -12V Batteries can Cause Fire if not Fused or Stored Correctly-

    you may find the 30% discharge rule more convenient !!

    Mod note - email removed
    Last edited by russ; 09-24-2012, 02:58 PM.
  • Naptown
    Solar Fanatic
    • Feb 2011
    • 6880

    #2
    Use this spreadsheet
    You may want to tweak the depth of discharge On this one it is limited to 20% for most cycles from the battery and designed for 2 days autonomy. going to a 40% DOD maximum for 2 days autonomy
    This means you will end up doubling battery capacity, solar capacity etc if you go for a 40% DOD or 4 days autonomy.Off grid calculator excel 97 version (2).zip
    Easiest way to tweak this is double your loads.
    Check with PVWatts or Gaisma to determine actual insolation during the worst months. Other than tropical areas it is rare to see 5 sun hours a day during the winter.
    NABCEP certified Technical Sales Professional

    [URL="http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showthread.php?5334-Solar-Off-Grid-Battery-Design"]http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showth...Battery-Design[/URL]

    [URL]http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html[/URL] (Voltage drop Calculator among others)

    [URL="http://www.gaisma.com"]www.gaisma.com[/URL]

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    • classradiance
      Junior Member
      • Sep 2012
      • 5

      #3
      Originally posted by Naptown
      Use this spreadsheet
      You may want to tweak the depth of discharge On this one it is limited to 20% for most cycles from the battery and designed for 2 days autonomy. going to a 40% DOD maximum for 2 days autonomy
      This means you will end up doubling battery capacity, solar capacity etc if you go for a 40% DOD or 4 days autonomy.[ATTACH]2295[/ATTACH]
      Easiest way to tweak this is double your loads.
      Check with PVWatts or Gaisma to determine actual insolation during the worst months. Other than tropical areas it is rare to see 5 sun hours a day during the winter.
      Great stuff . . Thanks
      Would it be safe to say that Deepest Winter = Diesel Generator or am I going down the wrong road? And I am only interested in Lighting by the way.
      Heating seems a distance possibly in a year.
      I have more or less determined just 5 panels and 2 batteries for the entire house for the year ... so much for 16 panels and all that ( I am questioning the consideration of such kit)!!

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      • Nishit Shah
        Junior Member
        • Jun 2014
        • 1

        #4
        Very good

        Very good.

        Originally posted by classradiance
        calculations for Home / Boat / Caravan / Shed

        [ATTACH=CONFIG]2294[/ATTACH]

        1.Add up the hours that each light will be on for to get the Total of Energy Consumed.
        2.From that you can Calculate everything you need IE: Solar Panel / Battery / Charge Controller
        ------------------------------------------

        My Calculations
        3 Zones
        1 X LED SPOT @ 10W + 2 x LED FLOOD @ 15W
        on for (SEE CHART) hours per night
        ...................

        -Watt/Hour Chart- - Only ever use 12 volt LED lights -

        3 Room scenario

        kitchen/Diner 15W on when required daily average use -- 3 hours = 45wh
        Bedroom 10W on when required daily average use - 2 hours = 20wh
        front Room 15W on when required daily average use - 8 hours = 120wh

        Total usage per night in Winter = 185wh/d
        -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

        -Load and Battery -

        House Lights Consumption = 185Wh
        185 watt-hours divided by 12 volts = 15.42 amphours taken from system in 1 night

        Because we can only use half the energy in a lead acid battery without harming the battery,
        the minimum battery size is 15.42 amps x 2 = 30.84 amp hours.

        I want my system to be reliable if we have four consecutive days of cloudy weather,
        4 days of autonomy x 30.84 = 123.36 amp hours for the battery. = 124 + amp hour battery
        (Required Battery Bank = 1 x 130 Ah True Deep Cycle


        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

        -Charging Battery from Panel-
        This installation is in a location that gets 5 hours of full sun per day.
        Check the charts for this depending on the month in the Season.
        To recharge the battery for one day of use we need 30.84 amps in 5 hours = 30.84 / 5 = 6.17 amps from a 12 volt solar panel array.
        ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

        -Solar Panel -
        Most load calculations include a discount factor for the inefficiency of recharging the battery.
        20% is typical. 6.17 / 0.8 = 7.71 amps.

        A single 140W solar array that has an Impp (amps maximum power point) of 7.7A would be suitable

        ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

        -Charge Controller Rating in AMPS-
        The 140W solar array has a short circuit amp rating (Isc) of 8.2A 8.2A x 1.25 = 10.25A
        use a 10.3A or larger charge controller with this array to charge the battery.

        Cheap example - 20A Unit
        For best efficiency to charge use an MPPT Type.
        ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

        - estimated Cost of mentioned Materials - 20 years / $450. = $500./240 months = £2.08 month = .52 per week ....wow

        Have seen 140w poly panel on Net for $170 inc delivery
        Have seen 130Ah Varta Leisure Battery 12V 130Ah for around $150 inc delivery
        20A Charge controller $20 - $60 - mppt prefered of course
        3 QUALITY External (For in or out & VERY BRIGHT) LED Lights 2 x 15w/1 x 10w = $60
        100m of .75mm twin and earth from wholesalers = $30
        Mounting Bracket for Panel = $20

        Estimated Total = $500ish

        Also required - Fuse box / switches / bits ..


        -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        -Solar Panel specification-
        STK-140P6-A ...... manufactured by 3E
        Related power
        140W
        Open circuit voltage Voc(V)
        23V
        Short-circuit current Isc(A)
        8.2A
        Optimum operation voltage Vmp(V)
        18.3V
        Optimum operation current Imp(A)
        7.7A
        .......................

        Thanks to everyone who places information out there on the WWW
        Hope the above can inspire you.
        Not mentioned above are Switches, Inverters, Distribution, Heating, Health & Safety,
        etc ... Caution -12V Batteries can Cause Fire if not Fused or Stored Correctly-

        you may find the 30% discharge rule more convenient !!

        Mod note - email removed

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