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  • papalas
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2013
    • 6

    #1

    Long time viewer first time poster....one question

    i just got 3 fifteen watt panels, and a 12 volt deep cycle battery. I have all the basics with the charge controller and 400 watt inverter. all I really want to do is run lights for the house. I have new 7 watt led lights and my question is how long can I run these lights before I run out of power. just to simplify my question, how long can one 7 watt led lightbulb last on one 12 volt charge. thanks in advance!!
  • Naptown
    Solar Fanatic
    • Feb 2011
    • 6880

    #2
    Well depends on where you live, the capacity of the battery and wether the light is 12 volt or 120 v and how much your inverter consumes in operation
    ( it is way oversized for the one light and will probably self consume more than the light connected to it)
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    • inetdog
      Super Moderator
      • May 2012
      • 9909

      #3
      Originally posted by Naptown
      Well depends on where you live, the capacity of the battery and wether the light is 12 volt or 120 v and how much your inverter consumes in operation
      ( it is way oversized for the one light and will probably self consume more than the light connected to it)
      It also depends on whether you are asking how long you can run the light before the inverter shuts down or the shorter time for which you can run the light before you risk damaging the battery. Those two can differ by a factor of four or more.

      I suspect that the 7 watt LEDs referred to are the 120 volt A20 replacement kind
      SunnyBoy 3000 US, 18 BP Solar 175B panels.

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      • papalas
        Junior Member
        • Sep 2013
        • 6

        #4
        Originally posted by Naptown
        Well depends on where you live, the capacity of the battery and wether the light is 12 volt or 120 v and how much your inverter consumes in operation
        ( it is way oversized for the one light and will probably self consume more than the light connected to it)
        im running the 7 watts off of a 12 volt socket straight from the charge controller, just wondering how long can I run it so I can vary my other lights. is it better to not use the inverter because it uses a lot more energy?

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        • inetdog
          Super Moderator
          • May 2012
          • 9909

          #5
          Originally posted by papalas
          im running the 7 watts off of a 12 volt socket straight from the charge controller, just wondering how long can I run it so I can vary my other lights. is it better to not use the inverter because it uses a lot more energy?
          You still have not told us how big (in Amp-Hours) your battery is.
          With three 15 watt panels, it should not be much bigger than 40AH or you will have other problems (inadequate charging.)
          SunnyBoy 3000 US, 18 BP Solar 175B panels.

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          • papalas
            Junior Member
            • Sep 2013
            • 6

            #6
            Originally posted by inetdog
            You still have not told us how big (in Amp-Hours) your battery is.
            With three 15 watt panels, it should not be much bigger than 40AH or you will have other problems (inadequate charging.)
            ummmm 80 amp hours deep cycle

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            • inetdog
              Super Moderator
              • May 2012
              • 9909

              #7
              Originally posted by papalas
              ummmm 80 amp hours deep cycle
              80AH divided by five = 16AH. 16AH times 12 volts is 192 watt-hours. 192 watt-hours divided by 7 watts is ~27 hours.

              So, about 27 hours to 80% SOC (20% of capacity discharged), which is as low as you should routinely go for longest battery life.

              You should have at least 80 watts of panel to keep that battery happy if it is a flooded lead acid (FLA) battery. For most sealed batteries (AGM) you should have more than that.
              SunnyBoy 3000 US, 18 BP Solar 175B panels.

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              • SunEagle
                Super Moderator
                • Oct 2012
                • 15153

                #8
                Your weak link are those 3 15 watt panels. They will take days to charge your battery back up to 100% from 80%.

                I would go out and get yourself at least a 100 watt panel and forget about using those 15 watt panels.

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                • papalas
                  Junior Member
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 6

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SunEagle
                  Your weak link are those 3 15 watt panels. They will take days to charge your battery back up to 100% from 80%.

                  I would go out and get yourself at least a 100 watt panel and forget about using those 15 watt panels.
                  thanks fellas for the advice. baby steps and one day I might just go totally off the grid. but for now just a couple lamps till the wife feels comfortable with all these cords lol

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                  • inetdog
                    Super Moderator
                    • May 2012
                    • 9909

                    #10
                    Originally posted by papalas
                    thanks fellas for the advice. baby steps and one day I might just go totally off the grid. but for now just a couple lamps till the wife feels comfortable with all these cords lol
                    First comment on baby steps:

                    Before you go talking about going off grid (unless you mean moving somewhere where there is no grid), read up on why that will cost you two to five times a much for power as what you are paying the electric company.
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                    • Naptown
                      Solar Fanatic
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 6880

                      #11
                      Actually change that to 5-10 times if you live in the US.
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                      • inetdog
                        Super Moderator
                        • May 2012
                        • 9909

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Naptown
                        Actually change that to 5-10 times if you live in the US.
                        Two times if you live in Hawaii and take very good care of your batteries.
                        Maybe more then 10 times if you live in Texas.
                        SunnyBoy 3000 US, 18 BP Solar 175B panels.

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                        • Naptown
                          Solar Fanatic
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 6880

                          #13
                          I don't think even Hawaii is that much
                          Places in the Caribbean perhaps.
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                          [URL]http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html[/URL] (Voltage drop Calculator among others)

                          [URL="http://www.gaisma.com"]www.gaisma.com[/URL]

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                          • inetdog
                            Super Moderator
                            • May 2012
                            • 9909

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Naptown
                            I don't think even Hawaii is that much
                            Places in the Caribbean perhaps.
                            High end in Hawaii is over $.50/kWh. Depends on location and usage.

                            Absolute low end that I have seen for self-reported cost for off grid including battery replacement is ~$1.00 per kWh, although you may not think that is a reliable figure.
                            SunnyBoy 3000 US, 18 BP Solar 175B panels.

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                            • Sunking
                              Solar Fanatic
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 23301

                              #15
                              Originally posted by papalas
                              I might just go totally off the grid. but for now just a couple lamps till the wife feels comfortable with all these cords lol
                              Will not happen. Once yu realize how much battery systems cost you will give up that idea.
                              MSEE, PE

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