If IIRC, I saw that disclaimer on your masthead before I caught on to your act. Maybe I'm incorrect on the timing, but that seems a couple of years ago or so. I do recall thinking the first time I saw it that it wasn't the best way I could think of to get people to take you seriously, then thinking (ironically as it turns out in the way this thread has degenerated into a pissing match about the differences between sarcasm and civility), it may be your attempt at sarcastic and self deprecating humor as a tool.
To perhaps clear up any delusions you may have about my opinions concerning your areas of expertize: You may recall flattering yourself into assuming I think you sound like an "expert", whatever that overused term might mean, and I might, but it's not with respect to solar, R.E., or most technical things related to those areas.
Similar to what others have posted, I simply wish you'd knock off the B.S. and also stop with the links to lame fluff, a lot of which you take out of context and I'd guess are not much of an expert about anyway, and then proceed to reinterpret the information to suit your version of reality that seems to support only one side of the R.E. discussion, with little or simplistic explanations or justifications of your reasons for the opinion.
I call B.S. on your stuff when I see it. That you don't know, and perhaps more than likely don't care to consider the possibly bad and unnecessary consequences of your not knowing what you're doing, and expecting me and/or others to identify your possible errors - in effect clean up after you - is IMO only, rude, selfish, boorish, inconsiderate, childish and (gasp !) uncivil.
Pick up after yourself. Your mother does not work here. Better yet, don't make the mess in the first place. Get a clue and stop embarrassing yourself as a bonus.
To me, your claimed interest in truth and accuracy rings a bit hollow. The idea of truth being relative aside for now, if truth and accuracy is really what you are after, I'd think you'd work a bit harder at giving those things a bit more work, more research, and a reality check before you throw your non expert version of what gives you the warm and fuzzies on the walls around here.
Having reached my limit of charitability by giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're not simply dancing with my leg, I'm done with this thread.
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State of California
Department of Industrial Relations
Division of Labor Standards Enforcement
Electrician Certification Unit
California Certified Electricians
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IIRC you objected because I sounded too much like an expert. Hence I added the disclaimer.
The next time I post something inaccurate, please let me know what the error is. I'm very interested in truth and accuracy, and in showing sources. Last time I asked, you didn't give me any specifics to go on.Last edited by DanKegel; 07-10-2016, 01:01 AM.Leave a comment:
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Civility, like beauty, is often a matter of opinion. Your opinion that some of other member's behavior - probably a lot of mine - is not civil, however you choose to define that concept (and no, I'm not curious as to your definition might be).
My definition of civility (which you may or may not care about) includes, among other things, not wasting people's time, or giving out false, useless and what some consider deceptive information in areas where I'm ignorant - ignorant as in " I like science, but I'm no expert.".
I don't blather on a software engineering forum. I'm mostly ignorant of such things. That would be rude, like crapping in your living room and leaving you to clean up the mess before someone steps in it. So it is with this forum and a lot of what I consider the damage, actual or potential, you do here.
In those two respects - wasting other's time and disseminating poor/biased/incorrect/unvetted information - and some other things, I consider most of your behavior around here more rude, more counterproductive and probably more harmful than some PG -13 sarcasm/humor which may help us all not take ourselves quite so seriously.
However, I accept the idea of a pluralistic arrangement for this forum and society in general. Your opinion is yours and not mine. If you have less tolerance for such things, that seems to be your problem to deal with, as is what you consider other's uncivil ways.
As for what I see as your rude, selfish, ignorant behavior and attitude that can, and probably does lead more than a few well intentioned but solar ignorant folks down wasteful and costly blind alleys, I think that goes beyond rude and over the line. It may however, qualify as politically correct among a lot of the tree hugger crowd.
Some of us believe political correctness may, at times, qualify as rude behavior due to it being less than candidly honest - that is, P.C. is often premeditated B.S. Being respectful and civil means being straight with people. Not everyone who tells you what you don't like is wrong, or your enemy, or trying to hurt you or your feelings.Leave a comment:
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Dan screw you and the OP You are an IDIOT and the OP is a LIAR. . Any electrician who can be hired, pull a permit, and pass inspection must be Licensed and Bonded. Take any Certification there is, and $2 will get you a cup of coffee in any Unemployment line. Certifications are not worth the paper they are printed on.I think SK owes the OP an apology, in the interest of civility
I am a Certified Doctor, bend over.
A C10 is not a CERTIFICATION. It is a LICENSE. Read it and weep. A very extremely limited LICENSE. They cannot even wire up a light switch in your house because they are not qualified or bonded to do so. CA is one of the few states with such low qualifications. In most other states they are called Go-Fers, Attack Rats, and Apprentices. To obtain a Electrician License depends on the state, but generally speaking 2-year technical education, 5 years documented experience (pay stubs), and pass a comprehensive written exam. That is just to be an Electrician working under a Contractor. To be Contractor takes another few years, another exam, and BONDED.
I am typing slowly for you Dan so you can understand. There is no such thing as a Certified Electrician. Just like an Engineer, there are no Certified Engineers. You either hold a PE License or you do not. Holding a certificate from Cisco does not entitle you to do anything. Just a piece of paper.Last edited by Sunking; 07-09-2016, 07:41 PM.Leave a comment:
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I was curious if the OP would like to share the recipe of that mighty battery that can be guaranteed for 15 years ...Leave a comment:
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This is so annoying, but I'm not going to look up "Section 7058" to see exactly who is what. And that will vary from state to state.
The point is Certified is not the same as being Licensed, which is a higher standard.Leave a comment:
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Comic sans or no, saying "screw civility" is probably not good for the tone of the board.
All I'm saying, is it sure looks like you can get certified as an electrician in California, and there are even jobs advertised for certified electricians ( http://www.indeed.com/q-Certified-El...rnia-jobs.html ). I think SK owes the OP an apology, in the interest of civility.
I'm not saying SK should back down -- just saying it's good form to acknowledge it when you say something factually wrong (e.g. "There is no such thing as a certified electrician"). But I understand that acknowledging one's misstatements might not fit in with the scorched-earth style of debate popular with some here.Last edited by DanKegel; 07-09-2016, 03:36 PM.Leave a comment:
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Screw civility. At this point, seems more of a legal question than one of politeness/civility. If so, and if I had any remaining concerns about accuracy, I'd consult an attorney knowledgeable in such areas for a legal opinion about the meaning of the section of the legal code as quoted, and call it done/stick a fork in it.Leave a comment:
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