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  • owenshank
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2013
    • 2

    #1

    Off-Grid Solar system for a sizeable Restaurant

    I own a sizeable restaurant just on the west coast of the atlantic in The Gambia. I am presently spending too much on electricity through a system that is very expensive and inconsistent, ie lack of electricity for up to 6 hours a day. The only backup to this is a gasoline standalone generator which is also quite expensive to run due to the amount of appliances in the premises.
    I have been adviced to invest in solar energy that will run predominantly off-grid (totally independent of the main grid). The Gambia boast of its long daylight all year round and temperatures of a minimum of 25 degree celcius on a bad day. The only exception to this is during the months of July to September, in the rainy season.
    My problem is where do i start?

    I hold quite an array of electrical appliances namely:

    Oven (Pizza)
    Fryer
    4 Fridge freezers
    A deep freezer
    8 AC units
    4 Led 40 Inch Televisions
    2 Toasters
    2 Microwaves
    15 Flourescent lights
    2 Electric Kettles
    1 Food Warmer
    2 Standalone computers
    2 Coffee makers
    some other small electrical items

    I am not sure how much electricity all these generate but by my calculation, i consume about 300 Kwh every 4 days. I am prepared to go green if it is more cost effective but i need to know;

    What is required equipment wise to run all of the equipment above?
    What type of solar panels is needed based on on consumption?
    Once the type is identified, how many panels is required to run all of the above?
  • Naptown
    Solar Fanatic
    • Feb 2011
    • 6880

    #2
    The gasoline will be cheaper.
    Anyway here is what it will take to run that
    you have a daily use of 75 KWH
    For 2 days without sun you need a battery bank that is at 48V or higher of 75x5= or 375 KW
    At 48V which is common this would mean a battery bank of 7800 AH or about $90,000 US of batteries.
    During the sunny season say you get 5 sun hours a day (Actual may be different) that means a solar array at minimum of
    75000 x 1.5 /5 = 22500 watts of solar panels. About 40,000 with racking etc.
    You will also need 6 80A mppt charge controllers Figure about $4000 for those
    And inverters to finish out don't know your demand at any one time but figure on at least 10,000 watts or more.
    Add another $7-8,000 for those
    And finally cable and miscellaneous items at $5-6,000
    Now here is the best part. You will get to replace the batteries every 5 years or so at a higher cost than now.

    The way I figure it is you will have about $150,000 US in this when all is said and done. (provided you did it yourself)
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    • inetdog
      Super Moderator
      • May 2012
      • 9909

      #3
      Originally posted by owenshank
      I own a sizeable restaurant just on the west coast of the atlantic in The Gambia. I am presently spending too much on electricity through a system that is very expensive and inconsistent, ie lack of electricity for up to 6 hours a day. The only backup to this is a gasoline standalone generator which is also quite expensive to run due to the amount of appliances in the premises.
      I have been adviced to invest in solar energy that will run predominantly off-grid (totally independent of the main grid). The Gambia boast of its long daylight all year round and temperatures of a minimum of 25 degree celcius on a bad day. The only exception to this is during the months of July to September, in the rainy season.
      My problem is where do i start?

      I hold quite an array of electrical appliances namely:

      Oven (Pizza)
      Fryer
      4 Fridge freezers
      A deep freezer
      8 AC units
      4 Led 40 Inch Televisions
      2 Toasters
      2 Microwaves
      15 Flourescent lights
      2 Electric Kettles
      1 Food Warmer
      2 Standalone computers
      2 Coffee makers
      some other small electrical items

      I am not sure how much electricity all these generate but by my calculation, i consume about 300 Kwh every 4 days. I am prepared to go green if it is more cost effective but i need to know;

      What is required equipment wise to run all of the equipment above?
      What type of solar panels is needed based on on consumption?
      Once the type is identified, how many panels is required to run all of the above?
      You can save some money by using solar thermal panels to preheat your water, either for steam table loading or as the feed water to a water heater.
      The return on that investment will be very quick (maybe even only a year), but it will only reduce your power needs by a relatively small amount.
      SunnyBoy 3000 US, 18 BP Solar 175B panels.

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      • Mike90250
        Moderator
        • May 2009
        • 16020

        #4
        Solar PV for electric cooking, could work, if you built a huge array on top of a building the same size as your restaurant, this building would hold the batteries you need.

        Sadly, this would be a No-Go deal, the solar power for electric cooking, is way too costly. You can use propane ( LP gas ) or kerosene for cooking, but electric cooking would require a huge investment in Pv panels, inverters and batteries.
        Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
        || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
        || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

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        • axis11
          Solar Fanatic
          • Mar 2011
          • 237

          #5
          Originally posted by owenshank

          Oven (Pizza)
          Fryer
          8 AC units

          i consume about 300 Kwh every 4 days.
          How much is your consumption per month? Just from the items I quote above, you probably consume more than 300 KwH in 4 days.Probably twice that much is more realistic. From Naptown's estimate X2, would be $300,000. IMO, a diesel generator of the required size would be a better approach to your power needs.

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          • russ
            Solar Fanatic
            • Jul 2009
            • 10360

            #6
            Like inetdog pointed out - solar thermal for water heating should fit well. Solar thermal efficiencies should always be 50% plus making it easier and the storage problem is different.
            [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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            • Sunking
              Solar Fanatic
              • Feb 2010
              • 23301

              #7
              If you tried this, you would be out of business in a very short time and bankrupt. You would have to charge your customer many times more than your competitor does and no one would come to your restaurant putting you out of biz permanently.
              MSEE, PE

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              • owenshank
                Junior Member
                • Jan 2013
                • 2

                #8
                Thanks guys this is much appreciated. Atleast i have got a fair idea of what i want to do.

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