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  • Fishov
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2012
    • 15

    #1

    Off grid stand alone water pumping for cottage

    Hello all,

    I am new to this forum so please bear with me... I am looking for advice on creating a stand alone water pumping system for our cottage on lake of the woods in Northwest Ontario. I am planning on building up a larger solar power system next year to service the entire cabin but for this year I would like to get the water going.

    I was hoping that I can pump from the lake to a 60-80 gallon pressure tank via 12v pump run off a panel and battery. Distance from the cabin to waters edge is approx 100 feet with maybe 15 -20 lift.

    I would like to feed the kitchen sink, bath sink and one pint toilet, a couple of hose bibs and maybe an outdoor shower. I'd like to keep it simple for now but effective.

    Does anyone have a similar system that works? Recommendations? Designs?

    Thanks!
  • Wy_White_Wolf
    Solar Fanatic
    • Oct 2011
    • 1179

    #2


    Better off to use a slow solar pump and fill a cistern that gravity feeds the house.

    Trying to use solar to pressurize the system eats power faster than a class or wild 5 year olds eats candy in an ungruaded candy store.

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    • Mike90250
      Moderator
      • May 2009
      • 16020

      #3
      Greetings !

      Well, you have a couple stages to go through here.

      Lift - 20' from pond. That's about at the limit for a suction pump. You may be happier with a submerged pump

      total lift needed:
      20' from pond
      60 psi = 140'

      [ p = 0.434 h
      where
      p = pressure (psi)
      h = head (ft) ]

      So to build up 60 psi in your pressure tank, you need about 160' of lift. A 12V pump can do this at a very slow rate, maybe 1/2 gal per minute. If you don't use a lot of water, you could manage with it.


      What I did ( I needed a lot more water ) I used a small, 1/2 hp standard well pump, in a Flow Induction Sleeve, to pump uphill to elevated storage,(5, 3,000 gal tanks) which is where I get my water pressure 24/7. Power consumed is about 1,000 for 8gpm @ 160' lift.
      Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
      || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
      || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

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      • Fishov
        Junior Member
        • Jun 2012
        • 15

        #4
        do you have experience with this type of system...is it suitable for my region? can you provide enough pressure to trigger an demand LP water heater?


        Originally posted by Wy_White_Wolf
        http://www.otherpower.com/otherpower_waterpumping.html

        Better off to use a slow solar pump and fill a cistern that gravity feeds the house.

        Trying to use solar to pressurize the system eats power faster than a class or wild 5 year olds eats candy in an ungruaded candy store.

        WWW

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        • Mike90250
          Moderator
          • May 2009
          • 16020

          #5
          demand water heaters work off sensing flow rate, not pressure.
          Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
          || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
          || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

          solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
          gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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          • Wy_White_Wolf
            Solar Fanatic
            • Oct 2011
            • 1179

            #6
            Don't know what it will take to rund the water heater.

            I'm in the process of putting my system together. We will pump out of the well into a cistern. From there either gravity feed to everything or run a second pump to pressurize just a few things.

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