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  • sl dl
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2017
    • 11

    #1

    Help with Odd LED reading vs multimeter

    Been running solar for a long time. First set up was a 45w hf kit with the old controller (see pic).
    Currently running two 175 w 24v panels to four 125 ah 12v sealed lead acid batteries through a 30A charge controller.

    I have been using the hf controller, connected to only the Batts, as a distribution box since it has 3v, 6v, 9v and 12v taps as well as the led display. I felt a couple tenths loss was acceptable.

    I usually rely on the hf charge controller led for battery voltage. Occasionally I would check battery voltage at the hf connection to the battery bank. Those readings are usually within a couple of tenths.

    Last week the hf display read 12.8 initially and after a week of using two 13w CFL for 7 hours and charging phones the voltage reading on the hf led steadily decreased to 12.2 under mostly cloudy skies. At one point I got a low voltage shutoff because I left the flash light lit while charging the phone. They recovered to 12.4 overnight with no lights etc. This all seemed like a large drop considering the bank and panel size.

    I went looking for issues and tidied up some of the connections at the batteries, 30A charge controller and switched battery order wiring on 1 battery for better balance.

    The result under sunny skies was that on the hand held meter the Batts showed 12.88 v after a couple hours but the hf led showed 12.4. Only a little odd. After sun down, I found it strange that the battery voltage on the hand held rose to 14.4. It was back to 12.9 before sun up then rose to 13.4 under sunny skies. Seemed normal except the hf led read 12.2 through the whole process.

    This was the case through another 24 hours. Battery voltage at the battery takeoff point for the controller was significantly higher than the led display. Sometimes as much as 2 volts.

    Question is am I misunderstanding the led function or is this indicating a problem? Thoughts? Suggestions?

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  • checkthisout
    Member
    • Mar 2019
    • 76

    #2
    So the the issue is the battery voltage readings on your Harbor Freight charge controller and Craftsmen DVOM do not match?

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    • sl dl
      Junior Member
      • Jan 2017
      • 11

      #3
      Yes. Or more accurately they aren't even close after having been within .2v since I installed this array 5 years ago. There are about 3 ft of #10 wire connecting the hf controller to the battery bank. Temp was around 70° inside the cabin where both are installed. Input at the controller was consistent with battery voltage. HF Controller seems to be operating normally otherwise other than it takes hours to charge a phone.

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      • checkthisout
        Member
        • Mar 2019
        • 76

        #4
        I would verify my dvom is reading correctly by using another dvom.

        I would then pop the cover off the charge controller and measure the voltage where the battery leads connect to the circuit board.

        The display might be stand alone with a small adjusting screw on it. If so, adjust it until it matches your dvom.

        If you feel the charger is working properly but the display isn't reading properly, just replace it with something off Amazon or eBay or whatever.

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        • sl dl
          Junior Member
          • Jan 2017
          • 11

          #5
          Thank you. I did check it with an analog meter. Dvom is accurate. I'll check voltage at circuit board. Since I'm only really using it as a distribution point I can wire in some step-down if I can't find anything on Amazon. I have a couple of digital voltage meters to hard wire there for that function or can attach a cheapo vm permanently.

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          • Mike90250
            Moderator
            • May 2009
            • 16020

            #6
            > two 175 w 24v panels to four 125 ah 12v sealed lead acid

            Part of the issue is SLA batteries have difficulty being wired in parallel. Seldom is the power evenly distributed between them. This causes all the batteries to age faster then if they are properly wired. Flooded batteries have slightly higher internal resistance, and share power better.


            Often, as meter batteries age, the meter readings go wonky. this seems to not be your case. I would start inspecting all the wire connections, first visually, do they look good, and if that finds nothing, then start going a bit deeper, shut things off, disconnect connections, put a drop of no-ox at each connection and then reboot it all.
            Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
            || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
            || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

            solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
            gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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            • sl dl
              Junior Member
              • Jan 2017
              • 11

              #7
              Mike90250..your diagram is the same one i have been using (option 4). I noticed I had one cable out of sync from a recent move and switched it which resulted in the increase in dvom battery voltage I described above. Still confused that it continued to rise after sundown. Probably equalizing.
              I think I'm going to see if the HF "controller" is adjustable. If not I may remove it. It is only 4A max so will not work for current array.
              might make it a "portable unit with an extra 50w panel I have to see if it will charge my pump batteries and or phones.

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              • Mike90250
                Moderator
                • May 2009
                • 16020

                #8
                There is no way battery voltage can rise after sundown, unless a large load is removed at that time. When charging stops, battery voltage must start to sag. batteries charge at 14V ( apx ) and resting voltage is 12.5 roughly.
                Attached Files
                Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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                • sl dl
                  Junior Member
                  • Jan 2017
                  • 11

                  #9
                  I agree, but it did, I watched it happen, which caused me some concern. Max load was26w @12v = 2amps prox. So if I shut off all the lights which I didn't it still shouldn't be able to rise. That's why I came here to ask about this. Very strange.

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