My 24 Aquion AHI batteries

[Sunking]

Only because the full cost of burning fossil fuels are not reflected in current prices.

Donald you got a bit to learn.

Any off grid battery system has two pitfalls.

1. Over the life of the system you will end up paying 5 to 10 more for electricity for the rest of your life. It is a never ending cycle of battery replacement.

2. This is the big one. There is NO EROI. A battery system EROI is less than 1. That means come time of death for the system, the system wil no thave generated as much power as it took to make the system.

So with any battery system you are heavy polluter and paying through the nose.

[OffGridHawaiian]

Donald you got a bit to learn.

Any off grid battery system has two pitfalls.

1. Over the life of the system you will end up paying 5 to 10 more for electricity for the rest of your life. It is a never ending cycle of battery replacement.

2. This is the big one. There is NO EROI. A battery system EROI is less than 1. That means come time of death for the system, the system wil no thave generated as much power as it took to make the system.

So with any battery system you are heavy polluter and paying through the nose.

Sunking you're making me feel bad. I did pay through the nose, thought was doing a good thing going with the Salt Water Technology, but now I'm a heavy polluter too.

[gardner]

Sunking you're making me feel bad. I did pay through the nose, thought was doing a good thing going with the Salt Water Technology, but now I'm a heavy polluter too.

Well, hopefully these Aquion batteries have a longer service life than LA. I do take some exceptions to Aquion's claims of "cleaner" technology though. Lead batteries are one of the most highly recycled items in the modern economy. Virtually 100% of lead batteries are recycled.

[donald]

The objection to lead is mostly the mining.

[donald]

Sunking you're making me feel bad. I did pay through the nose, thought was doing a good thing going with the Salt Water Technology, but now I'm a heavy polluter too.

How dare you ruin Hawaii with your solar panels and environmentally friendly Bill Gates batteries. Do the right thing and get yourself hooked up to the Hawaiian grid with that good imported petrochemical produced power.

[OffGridHawaiian]

How dare you ruin Hawaii with your solar panels and environmentally friendly Bill Gates batteries. Do the right thing and get yourself hooked up to the Hawaiian grid with that good imported petrochemical produced power.

That's right, fuel prices going down so electric rates going down too. What was I thinking

[SunEagle]

That's right, fuel prices going down so electric rates going down too. What was I thinking

Because what goes down may (and has for fuel) go up again.

[Sunking]

Because what goes down may (and has for fuel) go up again.

Oil prices are volitile, but oil is not used to generate electricity except on Islands. Natural gas and Coal prices are fairly stable and have been coming down for th elast 8 years and expected to keep going down as we have more than what we know to do with and no end in site.

OPEC plans are working great as they drive US and Russia producers out of biz. OPEC has no problem selling oil for $50/barrel as it only cost them a few dollars to produce a barrel and don't have stupid energy policies that drive US production cost to above $55/barrel. We have more oil than any other country in the world, it is just not profitable at less than $57/barrel as the Employment Prevention Agency and Unions has seen fit to do.

[J.P.M.]

Oil prices are volitile, but oil is not used to generate electricity except on Islands. Natural gas and Coal prices are fairly stable and have been coming down for th elast 8 years and expected to keep going down as we have more than what we know to do with and no end in site.

OPEC plans are working great as they drive US and Russia producers out of biz. OPEC has no problem selling oil for $50/barrel as it only cost them a few dollars to produce a barrel and don't have stupid energy policies that drive US production cost to above $55/barrel. We have more oil than any other country in the world, it is just not profitable at less than $57/barrel as the Employment Prevention Agency and Unions has seen fit to do.

I know a solar guru who, tongue in cheek, suggested that if all the tree huggers believed oil truly was in short supply, they should support lowering the price to zero. We'd burn it all up, and then be forced to use solar.

[SunEagle]

Oil prices are volitile, but oil is not used to generate electricity except on Islands. Natural gas and Coal prices are fairly stable and have been coming down for th elast 8 years and expected to keep going down as we have more than what we know to do with and no end in site.

OPEC plans are working great as they drive US and Russia producers out of biz. OPEC has no problem selling oil for $50/barrel as it only cost them a few dollars to produce a barrel and don't have stupid energy policies that drive US production cost to above $55/barrel. We have more oil than any other country in the world, it is just not profitable at less than $57/barrel as the Employment Prevention Agency and Unions has seen fit to do.

I agree that oil is not used to generate electricity and will not matter for most main land countries. But on islands (like Hawaii) or very remote locations, diesel seems to be the #1 fuel source to run generators.

[SunEagle]

I know a solar guru who, tongue in cheek, suggested that if all the tree huggers believed oil truly was in short supply, they should support lowering the price to zero. We'd burn it all up, and then be forced to use solar.

Are those the same ones that think Solar & Wind can produce all of the power needed to keep everything going 24/7?

[J.P.M.]

Are those the same ones that think Solar & Wind can produce all of the power needed to keep everything going 24/7?

Yea, mostly. He's a pretty sharp guy who, while a solar advocate, was a pragmatic engineer who didn't mind using sarcasm to skewer pie in the sky dreamers. Some of his audience actually thought he was serious and had a good idea.

[Sunking]

I know a solar guru who, tongue in cheek, suggested that if all the tree huggers believed oil truly was in short supply, they should support lowering the price to zero. We'd burn it all up, and then be forced to use solar.

Same for the Global Warming idiots who believe our oil supply is dwindling. If that were true the problem would solve itself. The Public is easily duped and their pockets picked.

Need proof. Go to Lost Wages and take notes. You go there, get grossly over charged for every thing, and robbed blind in the casinos. When you get home you tel all your friends you cannot wait to go back.

[peakbagger]

Oil is actually starting to be used for generation again in New England. When natural gas prices run up due to transmission constraints, the utilities crank up simple cycle peakers that run on distillate. There is a large oil fired plant in Cumberland Maine that was on standby for years that runs far more often now.

[J.P.M.]

Same for the Global Warming idiots who believe our oil supply is dwindling. If that were true the problem would solve itself. The Public is easily duped and their pockets picked.

Need proof. Go to Lost Wages and take notes. You go there, get grossly over charged for every thing, and robbed blind in the casinos. When you get home you tel all your friends you cannot wait to go back.

Simple minds are amused and duped by simple things. About the most crass place on earth.