My 24 Aquion AHI batteries

[Sunking]

Yeah, but look at the money the Legendary Nikola Telsa
had after messing with Edison ??
Could JP compare?

JP outsmarted Tesla, Westinghouse, and Edison. Morgan ended up owning it all. Tesla was a brilliant engineer, but dumb as a rock when it came to biz. He died penniless.

[Amy@altE]

The AltE Store says that Jury is going to stay out for a while as of yesterday.
There are people that can't forget the fact that the AHI batteries are sealed -
yet they can still take some abuse.

However Aquion Energy 'can't get no satisfaction' and doesn't want to supply
the Second Generation units to AltE even though they can make sales
as we speaks.

Third Generation or bust is the war cry now.
'Power to the People', including Sunking.

Bill Blake

Just a quick clarification. Aquion is now shipping the S20P, which is kind of a Gen 2.5, not Gen 3. The Gen 3 (S30) will be available end of the year. The S20P will NOT be backwards compatible with their S10 and S20, but will be forward compatible with the S30 when they come out. The S20P has a higher peak power rating (includes a 20A fuse instead of the old 15A), higher voltage window of 40-60V to line up with standard equipment, and a 4 year standard warranty.

altE Store is getting the S20P stacks this week, and the big modules in 2 weeks. Aquion has said the backorder was due to some big orders they had for some large projects, but we don't have details of them, as they weren't through us. We did sell a number of the S20 earlier in the year before they sold out, but I don't have access to any feedback at this time. I will try to get some.

[Sundetective]

Well there was once a company called Edison Electric, then some bully called JP Morgan bought it and renamed it General Electric and I hear it was successful.

Yeah, but look at the money the Legendary Nikola Telsa
had after messing with Edison ??
Could JP compare?

Who has the most big Electric Companies named after dem
today?
Have you been getting your Google Alerts about all their
Huge, and I means huge, mega battery storage plans ?

Not just Edison in Hollywood swingin, Southern California.
New York is putting out a rush order for The Con.
Con Edison.

Bill Blake

[Sunking]

US Government National Park Historians claim that in spite of it all
The Nickel Iron Battery was Mr. Edisons greatest success
as far as commercial success goes.
Period.

Well there was once a company called Edison Electric, then some bully called JP Morgan bought it and renamed it General Electric and I hear it was successful.

[Sundetective]

I used the word "experiment" meaning collecting data from existing installed systems both in the Lab or out in a real life Beta Test.

I agree that Tesla has a lot of real data concerning their batteries. Aquion has not provided much in the way of hard numbers concerning their system chemistry so IMO they are still in the "experimental" stage.

I was hoping Aquion they would prove their battery is a good solution to home energy storage but the Jury is still out on that one.

The AltE Store says that Jury is going to stay out for a while as of yesterday.
There are people that can't forget the fact that the AHI batteries are sealed -
yet they can still take some abuse.

However Aquion Energy 'can't get no satisfaction' and doesn't want to supply
the Second Generation units to AltE even though they can make sales
as we speaks.

Third Generation or bust is the war cry now.
'Power to the People', including Sunking.

As we know Thomas Edison had 4 years of production before ordering
the entire Nickel Iron operation closed down because he wasn't satisfied.
That lasted going on 5 years.

US Government National Park Historians claim that in spite of it all
The Nickel Iron Battery was Mr. Edisons greatest success
as far as commercial success goes.
Period.
Too bad the Nickel Iron technology is not in step with todays
generation and the list of problems continues to grow - not shrink.

Years later Edison and his crew including his Legendary Chief Engineer
still had no satisfaction when it came to working with the US Navy
so they went into a 'Manhattan Project' mode
and Laid another
55,000 experiments onto the badboy NiFe Batteries.

This was 14 - 15 years into production.
What does this Learn people?

Bill Blake

[Living Large]

When did Aquion Energy start selling stock ?

Or would Encell Technology in Florida be a better deal
since the word is they don't have a single NiFe USA battery for sale -
for months to come.
Just Links to go ooohh and send a 70% deposit to their salesman
in Colorado.

Let's just wait and see.

Bill Blake

I am not interested at all in NiFe. I looked into them and moved on.

I saw where private investors had put money into AQ. You never know - they make take your money. They took Boll Gates'.

[Sundetective]

You could put your money where your tears are, by investing in AQ.

When did Aquion Energy start selling stock ?

Or would Encell Technology in Florida be a better deal
since the word is they don't have a single NiFe USA battery for sale -
for months to come.
Just Links to go ooohh and send a 70% deposit to their salesman
in Colorado.

Let's just wait and see.

Bill Blake

[Living Large]

In spite of it all, for now, Aquion Energy still my man.

You could put your money where your tears are, by investing in AQ.

[Sundetective]

In spite of it all, for now, Aquion Energy still my man.
Really not a lot of options at this point.
Keep hearing about Lithium but things happen with a home set-up
and it's just too prissy for an old retired survivalist.

NiFe is "if only" probably forever.
Using them as a Slave Bank or having
the resources to have 2 Banks using an A, B circulation and reducing
that 'solar blivet' high voltage down to reduce water consumption
isn't going to happen.
Even if you did it the capacity begins to drop
so you need even more capacity in between boost charges.

Becomes a 'disco inferno' in reverse. Then the electrolyte nightmare.

Good ole Lead Acid is cunnin and I'm grateful for it but it a nasty habit
unless you can thow AGM money around forever.

So I'm back to waiting on my man at the bus stop with everybody else.
A little crying once in a while is OK.
It's for free.

Bill Blake

[SunEagle]

No need to experiment. The vendor should be collecting data from installed systems. Tesla cars have now driven a billion miles. They have charge/discharge data from every battery every day. Many of the stationary lithium ion vendors will probably do the same.

I used the word "experiment" meaning collecting data from existing installed systems both in the Lab or out in a real life Beta Test.

I agree that Tesla has a lot of real data concerning their batteries. Aquion has not provided much in the way of hard numbers concerning their system chemistry so IMO they are still in the "experimental" stage.

I was hoping Aquion they would prove their battery is a good solution to home energy storage but the Jury is still out on that one.

[Living Large]

No need to experiment. The vendor should be collecting data from installed systems. Tesla cars have now driven a billion miles. They have charge/discharge data from every battery every day. Many of the stationary lithium ion vendors will probably do the same.

They better do something proactive, based on what is known currently - unless all is well despite these tidbits.

[donald]

Bill

I am sure there are other "experiments" being performed in the field on those batteries but except for what OffGridHawaiin is posting that information is not readily available.

It would have been nice for Aquion to provide more data on their "in house" testing but that is not available as far as I can tell.

No need to experiment. The vendor should be collecting data from installed systems. Tesla cars have now driven a billion miles. They have charge/discharge data from every battery every day. Many of the stationary lithium ion vendors will probably do the same.

[Sunking]

And I complain about the electric bill. I'm on a split time scale, meaning from 2pm to 7pm I'm paying more, an average of around nine cents kwh and after around seven cents kwh .07 off peak hours.

So what are you complaining about. This is one of the lowest rates in the world.

Yeah I know, lots of trouble for a dime per hour. But I"m retired and this might get me off my butt a couple more times a day.
I went to check my smart hours page and today I used 36 kwh at a cost of 3 dollars.

Take that off-grid and it will cost you $30.

[MarcusMark]

.36 kwh, wow

Spoke with about 5 of the companies with the bright yellow or orange trucks and they all seemed to promise us lower electric bills, but when I mentioned off-grid it stopped their sales pitch immediately. I did some number crunching and it just didn't seem to make sense to let another company own my system, still charge me for electricity, and get the tax breaks.


Our electric rates in Hawaii are .36 per kWh, (now it's probably 10 times that because like Sunking said, something about power from any off-grid system is going to cost you many times more than buying it from the utility). Another company named NextEra out of Florida wants to take over Hawaiian Electric which made $12.2 million in 2014, and from what I've been hearing its not going to change our high rates here in Hawaii. They tell us they want to get into Solar but really the fine print is that they will still control the price. So now we are out of the Loop and I'm happy about that. Sorry about that, had to get that out of my system.

Our system seems to be doing fine, even with our big loads at night. We do use about 20% to 30% of our batteries from when the sun goes down till the morning and the sun starts doing its job.

What are your thoughts about our system being in float-mode from when our batteries reach a full charge? Seems to be wasting a lot of energy like some of you said. Have read the manual and can change the set points for when the system switches back to bulk mode. We are set on 3 stage charging Bulk-Absorption-Float. There is 2 stage charging that has no-float. I think the battery voltage can be set for when to get back to bulk mode. ???

And I complain about the electric bill. I'm on a split time scale, meaning from 2pm to 7pm I'm paying more, an average of around nine cents kwh and after around seven cents kwh .07 off peak hours. Yeah, it's gonna be a hobby until I need it, but here's the thought that two to seven is one hot time and thinking I have this 36 volt golf cart sitting during the week, I could easily use it for a few minutes during those peak times, Yeah I know, lots of trouble for a dime per hour. But I"m retired and this might get me off my butt a couple more times a day.
I went to check my smart hours page and today I used 36 kwh at a cost of 3 dollars.

[Living Large]

Well that is from a customer.

That IS from a customer. Problem is it is only one, and more important the application far different than mine.