NiFe USA series batteries?

[Sundetective]

Haha, you never know I do like being a computer nerd, and sometimes it comes in handy when you're trying to track down elusive information...


Out of random curiosity, does anyone know about Zappworks? I saw a guy named Hank Muntzer mentioned in this thread: http://www.permies.com/t/13862/energ...Iron-Batteries and tried to track him down. Apparently he works for (owns?) a company named Zappworks, which makes NiFe batteries: http://www.bizapedia.com/mt/ZAPP-WORKS-INC.html http://zappworks.com/index.htm

The prices are more than others, but maybe if they're better (eg., actual nickel, replaceable parts, disassemble-able, etc.,) it'd be worth it?

Main ting right now is go to YouTube (the knower of all things) and listen to

'Take Your Time Do it Right'.

You can go wild with a veneer of data.

It all forms a NiFe Tapestry of context knowledge. You needs more.
With the Chinese they like you to learn how to cross-reference their
different authors.

How about the 2008 Changhong Manual at www.nickelcells.com.
Do they have more?

You wants the secrets of water consumption so you don't have to play
somebodies sweetboy?

Find the brochure (catalog),

Changhong NF-S Series Nickel Iron Battery for Solar PV Application.

How about the 22 page version before they sweetboy-ed us to this new
11 page deal. We need to cross ref that NiFe Internal Resistance Lingo
that
Dr. Vinnie had cut out. The devil.

Maybe you can get something out of that

www.pdf.directindustry.com website.

After you knocks this Leg out there will be another taste -
Lord willing.

Bill Blake

[Sundetective]

Haha, you never know I do like being a computer nerd, and sometimes it comes in handy when you're trying to track down elusive information...


Out of random curiosity, does anyone know about Zappworks? I saw a guy named Hank Muntzer mentioned in this thread: http://www.permies.com/t/13862/energ...Iron-Batteries and tried to track him down. Apparently he works for (owns?) a company named Zappworks, which makes NiFe batteries: http://www.bizapedia.com/mt/ZAPP-WORKS-INC.html http://zappworks.com/index.htm

The prices are more than others, but maybe if they're better (eg., actual nickel, replaceable parts, disassemble-able, etc.,) it'd be worth it?

There was a thread that started about Hank at Zapp Works.
Brandon Williams from Iron Edison, John D'Angelo from
BeUtilityFree and I all got involved and the thread became a
Melee. It was fun.

Google: Bill Blake at Survival Monkey.

Hank's Partner Stephen Ellis sent me several key Documents that they created about Nickel Iron Batteries several years ago.
I doubt much of it is being released today. I didn't agree with every word however those fellows were defintely into some heavy duty
understanding about NiFe and belong in the LeRoy Category of Life.

Bill Blake

[Sundetective]

Cool, thank you very much, Bill The pieces are clicking together now, I've seen comments from BillBlake on Fieldlines, and heard references to "Old Bill" elsewhere as well. So, I'm guessing that you're one and the same then? Pleasure to meet your virtual acquaintance, and sorry that I was frustrated earlier :/

And, that would make total sense. As I was reading and doing research, I was seeing all this data about how good the technology was. So it was really confusing to me about how the batteries could be bad. But makes a lot more sense now.

So if my research is correct, one of the big problems with the LiOH is if it's exposed to air, because it consumes carbon dioxide from the air, and kind of renders it mostly pointless for the NiFe setup, correct? So that's why the "getting fresh, double-bag, and store in Mylar" is the important key in the process there.

Doing a google search for the string "site:changhongbatteries.com pdf" I was able to find this doc on NiFe batteries, but it doesn't look like what Bill was referencing. I'll keep searching and see what I can find.

http://www.changhongbatteries.com/down/index/0d4b6f9509fcbf3c7e9bbb4d7821e49f.pdf

I found this thread as I've been digging through stuff, and it's got a lot of good info in it: http://www.fieldlines.com/index.php?topic=146754.0

So, from how it sounds, it almost seems like we need to find someone who can make the NiFe batteries to the original Edison specs, and then they'd be a lot more worthwhile? Especially if we could get the components for the electrolyte around where they actually cost, instead of the crazy markups it looks like it sounds are happening?

I did find this while doing some more searching: http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/...g=en&region=US but it's more like 45 cents per gram, rather than a penny a gram. Plus I don't know that there's a way to tell how well it was packaged, etc.?

For years a Company in the USA was begging to get rid of

ACS Certified, Reagent Grade Lithium Hydroxide for 9 cents

per gram in little 500 gram sealed plastic drums.
99++% purity with a Lab Report.

In other words 'LeRoy Grade'.
$10 shipping on the first one.
Then a duece for each additional.
Man said 'come and gets it'.

So the sales hustlers were pushing garbage the whole time.
Just goes to show you.

What has happened or what the deal is today I don't know
because there are other interests.

A metric ton is a million grams on one little pallet.
Go to China waving a ten thousand dollar bill
(penny per gram) and see how long before somebody Love you.
Buy enough pallets and they will pick you up at the airport
with a stretch Limo, mini bar and a call girl for the day.

Bill Blake