Aquion Energy up and coming battery....opinions please

[inetdog]

I wouldn't be too worried about that. Most lithium batteries will not just self destruct. It usually happens when they are being charged or due to impact damage.

When charging they can fail if one of their cells is overcharged or if there is a physical defect and the charging causes it to short and then heat up.

Impact damage can happen if they are hit which then shorts out a couple of cells which then overheat and can cause a fire.

Otherwise the lithium battery is a very safe versatile high density storage unit.

And despite its lower energy density the LiPFePO4 battery is so much more resistant to thermal runaway that it is generally preferred now for laptop and phone batteries.

[SunEagle]

yeah i have seen a few videos on youtube where lithium batteries in electric bikes just catch on fire. So it would appear that the manufacturing process hasn't really been perfected. Also i keep wondering if my phone will catch on fire one day whilst it is in my pocket

I wouldn't be too worried about that. Most lithium batteries will not just self destruct. It usually happens when they are being charged or due to impact damage.

When charging they can fail if one of their cells is overcharged or if there is a physical defect and the charging causes it to short and then heat up.

Impact damage can happen if they are hit which then shorts out a couple of cells which then overheat and can cause a fire.

Otherwise the lithium battery is a very safe versatile high density storage unit.

[nat1971a]

Yeah. Them lithium batteries have had a number of bad events. What most people don't know (and probably would freak out) is that 99% of all laptops have Lithium batteries.

Imagine one of them lighting up while being charged sitting on someones lap.

yeah i have seen a few videos on youtube where lithium batteries in electric bikes just catch on fire. So it would appear that the manufacturing process hasn't really been perfected. Also i keep wondering if my phone will catch on fire one day whilst it is in my pocket

[SunEagle]

You are are probably right. I can imagine people will experiment with them in cars. The one advantage they have over lithium is their safety aspect. And at the end of the day this is critical. Last thing i want is a fire in my driveway or garage.

They also apparently require no BMS. So two advantages.

Yeah. Them lithium batteries have had a number of bad events. What most people don't know (and probably would freak out) is that 99% of all laptops have Lithium batteries.

Imagine one of them lighting up while being charged sitting on someones lap.

[nat1971a]

It may not be suited for cars in that format but the literature indicated it could be deeply discharged and have many recharge cycles. That is what the EV's need. Maybe the technology (if it works) can be converted to mobile uses.

You are are probably right. I can imagine people will experiment with them in cars. The one advantage they have over lithium is their safety aspect. And at the end of the day this is critical. Last thing i want is a fire in my driveway or garage.

They also apparently require no BMS. So two advantages.

[SunEagle]

This battery isn't suited to electric cars this is why their target market is renewables. At least this is what they state in their marketing material.

It may not be suited for cars in that format but the literature indicated it could be deeply discharged and have many recharge cycles. That is what the EV's need. Maybe the technology (if it works) can be converted to mobile uses.

[nat1971a]

Safest and intriguing but if it was a viable energy storage item the Utilities and Car companies would be lining up at the door to get a piece of the action. People like Gates have the millions to throw at all types of research with the expectation of using the "losses" from those failed investments as a wright off on their taxes.

Hopefully I am wrong but don't expect a product on the shelf before you see big business invest a lot of their money into it first. Keep an eye on them for a winner.

This battery isn't suited to electric cars this is why their target market is renewables. At least this is what they state in their marketing material.

[SunEagle]

I must admit I haven't been looking at investing in the company even though a friend of mine said exactly the same thing about 1 week ago to me. I don't believe the company is publicly listed but I could be wrong. If it isn't I guess they will list later on. It is an area I haven't really been looking into. I have only been looking at battery technology from a macro level to get an understanding where all the problems are and where the future is. And I am no expert on battery technology. I don't believe lithium is really technically suited to renewable energy. At least not to my requirements.

The other issue is that there are so many battery startups at the moment there appears to be breakthroughs on a monthly basis but whether we see them on the "shelf" is another question. I guess we will see a lot of battery startups going bankrupt in the next couple of years.

Having said all this my opinion at this stage is that the aquionenergy battery appears to be the safest and most appealing battery to me at the moment for my requirements.

Safest and intriguing but if it was a viable energy storage item the Utilities and Car companies would be lining up at the door to get a piece of the action. People like Gates have the millions to throw at all types of research with the expectation of using the "losses" from those failed investments as a wright off on their taxes.

Hopefully I am wrong but don't expect a product on the shelf before you see big business invest a lot of their money into it first. Keep an eye on them for a winner.

[nat1971a]

Well, if the technology really works and the prices are affordable I will be in line to either purchase or invest. Fingers crossed.

I must admit I haven't been looking at investing in the company even though a friend of mine said exactly the same thing about 1 week ago to me. I don't believe the company is publicly listed but I could be wrong. If it isn't I guess they will list later on. It is an area I haven't really been looking into. I have only been looking at battery technology from a macro level to get an understanding where all the problems are and where the future is. And I am no expert on battery technology. I don't believe lithium is really technically suited to renewable energy. At least not to my requirements.

The other issue is that there are so many battery startups at the moment there appears to be breakthroughs on a monthly basis but whether we see them on the "shelf" is another question. I guess we will see a lot of battery startups going bankrupt in the next couple of years.

Having said all this my opinion at this stage is that the aquionenergy battery appears to be the safest and most appealing battery to me at the moment for my requirements.

[SunEagle]

I hope that these batteries are the holy grail. Analysts are predicting that 2014 will be a massive sea change in terms of battery storage. And i must admit i am rather curious about the way they stack together too. I havent seen anything else about that other than some photos.

Here in Melbourne Australia electricity costs have risen by more than 84% in the last couple of years. So solar power is becoming more and more appealing as they keep pushing the prices up. And if this battery is the holy grail that i think it is then we are on the verge of seeing a huge tipping point to green energy storage.

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Well, if the technology really works and the prices are affordable I will be in line to either purchase or invest. Fingers crossed.

[nat1971a]

Well the promotion slide show is really slick the way they claim them to be totally earth friendly without any toxic or explosive materials being made from "dirt", sea water, carbon and cotton.

I also like the way the batteries are stacked like Leggos. I just didn't see any wire terminals in the presentation so I wonder how they interconnect.

I hope that these batteries are the holy grail. Analysts are predicting that 2014 will be a massive sea change in terms of battery storage. And i must admit i am rather curious about the way they stack together too. I havent seen anything else about that other than some photos.

Here in Melbourne Australia electricity costs have risen by more than 84% in the last couple of years. So solar power is becoming more and more appealing as they keep pushing the prices up. And if this battery is the holy grail that i think it is then we are on the verge of seeing a huge tipping point to green energy storage.

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[SunEagle]

Until the batteries hit the shelf they are vaporware - some of the inventors and venture capitalists are experts at hustling every possible buck they can get their hands on.

Well the promotion slide show is really slick the way they claim them to be totally earth friendly without any toxic or explosive materials being made from "dirt", sea water, carbon and cotton.

I also like the way the batteries are stacked like Leggos. I just didn't see any wire terminals in the presentation so I wonder how they interconnect.

[russ]

Until the batteries hit the shelf they are vaporware - some of the inventors and venture capitalists are experts at hustling every possible buck they can get their hands on.

[SunEagle]

Doesn't sound like vapourware to me. As I said before first production is planned for q4 2013

http://www.aquionenergy.com/Portals/...ing%202013.pdf

So if this is the holy grail of batteries how much have you or plan to invest in this venture?

[nat1971a]

I'm still waiting on the commercial version of the liquid metal battery that Gates gave about $5mill toward last year.

Until someone really comes up with a viable energy storage system there will always be snake oil salesman out there looking for your money to fund their design.

Doesn't sound like vapourware to me. As I said before first production is planned for q4 2013

http://www.aquionenergy.com/Portals/147472/docs/Aquion%20Energy%20Company%20Overview%20Spring%202013.pdf