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  • Steve
    Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 83

    #1

    Even MORE battery questions

    I have a pair of golf cart deep cycle batteries rated 6v @220ah. Connected in series for 12v 220ah.

    I understand according to the rating they should carry a 11ah load for 20 hours from 12.8v full charge to about 10.5v stone cold dead.

    I would never run my batteries to flat dead 10.5 volts but I might to 11.5 if really needed and I've been doing some testing the past few evenings regarding capacity and load.

    This is my experience:
    I can begin with a full battery reading 12.8v and connect these devices:

    a. A 1100w modified SW PowerBright converter @ ~90% efficiency
    b. A desktop computer drawing 0.84ah
    c. A monitor drawing 0.89ah
    Total 1.73ah not including the inverter.

    These run for about 3hrs until I shut them off when the battery reads 11.5v. I mean to say that I shut it off while loaded (Items running) @ 11.5v. After the load is removed the voltage bounces back into the low 12's.

    The load of the devices was determined using a new Kill-A-Watt meter. I just need to know if that 3 hrs is normal (or not) given the load.

    My system will power a few CFL yard lights at night when put to its intended use so the load will be less. Right now I am trying to get a bearing or feel to how much power 220ah actually is in practical use.

    Also, I was wondering what kind of hydrometer people here use.
    I've tried two automotive style battery hydrometers. The first one was this model:

    It read both my known good fully charged vehicle batteries and both solar batteries as flat dead. I returned it and got an eyedropper type with the floating balls.

    The floating ball eyedropper shows every cell fully charged when the voltage is only 11.8 volts. The balls are colored but neither the printing on the eyedropper nor the packaging indicate how to determine the actual electrolyte weight and the temperature compensation simply say "All temperature readings".
    But it does say in big letters "MADE IN CHINA"

    So what do you use? Do you bother even testing the electrolyte weight or just keep a proper physical water level?
  • Sunking
    Solar Fanatic
    • Feb 2010
    • 23301

    #2
    Well lets see if we can get you on the right track

    As for the battery voltages to determine the State of Charge is pretty much a useless reading. In order for the SOC voltage measurement to be anywhere near accurate is only after the battery has been rested for several hours with out any load or charge current applied. In otherwise disconnected and left alone for several hours.

    The only truly accurate real time measurement is a temperature corrected specific gravity with a lab quality hydrometer and thermometer. However you do not have the equipment to do that with yet. What you have is basically a toy. You need to read the specific and temperature accurately.

    Hydrometer 1
    Hydrometer 2
    Hydrometer 3
    MSEE, PE

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    • Steve
      Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 83

      #3
      Thank you for the reply Sunking.

      I know we get what we pay for .. but wow are those expensive!

      And you're right, I've read in several places you can only get an accurate voltage reading from the batteries after they've sat and rested for hours. That works very well waiting for them to stabilize to check a full SOC but my problem arises while draining. That is my pain right now- how to know how far to go without that accurate hydrometer.

      My inverter starts screaming (beeping) when the battery reaches about 11.5v and that's where I shut it down. It's probably a good thing. Maybe I'll just stop pushing it and leave it like that. It just seemed that a load around 2a should last longer than 3hrs.

      I assume a charge controller calculates load and capacity to estimate a safe cut off point. A controller is next in the budget and I'm considering this one possibly later this month:

      EP Solar 30a charge controller

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      • Sunking
        Solar Fanatic
        • Feb 2010
        • 23301

        #4
        Originally posted by Steve
        My inverter starts screaming (beeping) when the battery reaches about 11.5v and that's where I shut it down. It's probably a good thing. Maybe I'll just stop pushing it and leave it like that. It just seemed that a load around 2a should last longer than 3hrs.
        It should last a lot longer, and indicates you might have a charger, battery, or connection problem. I assume you have a volt meter to troubleshoot with?
        MSEE, PE

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        • Steve
          Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 83

          #5
          Originally posted by Sunking
          It should last a lot longer, and indicates you might have a charger, battery, or connection problem. I assume you have a volt meter to troubleshoot with?
          Yes, two Fluke DVOM's.
          I am using two chargers.
          One is the solar panels which make about 6.5a @ 19v full sunlight. If the light is dim (clouds) I use a plug in 5a unregulated automotive type charger to bring them back up. I realize it's probably silly to use an AC charger but it's only temporary while I test this.

          The batteries are two new engergizer brand deep cycle golf cart batteries from Sam's wholesale club. I'm using 14 gauge wire to connect the two 6v batteries in series. Actually two 14 gauge wires short as possible.
          I'm using the 3 foot 6 gauge wire the inverter came with to run the inverter. (Clipped on)

          A 20 foot extenstion cord probably 24 gauge wire connects the 120v inverter output to the load.

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